The Religion Debate Thread

[rklenseth]

Alright, I want to stop this discussion in the Cantr Board so here it is.

We should start out by telling everyone what religion we are part of.

I am Roman Catholic of Irish stock. Some call it Irish Catholicism but I don't think that is official or anything. But pretty much it is Roman Catholicism mixed with the old pagan religions of the Celts.

[Psycho Pixie]

*blinks* uh... i have to come up with a name for the cult I am the priestess of???? woah......


PsPi

[kroner]

ok, let's kick this off.
i contend that all your religions are baseless and proofless, a means for people to explain what they cannot grasp in a simple yet unrealistic way.
people are brainwashed from an early age not to question the faith or they will eventually face terrible consequences. this is not only a limiting but extremely dangerous mindset which leads to ignorance and, at times, intolerance.

i do not deny the possibility of a god or gods but it would be impossible to say anything conclusive in this area including what the will of this higher being(s). therefore catering to what you think is the will of god is just silly.

this should get some good responses

[rklenseth]

That is not taught in Catholicism, Kroner. You won't go to Hell for not believing. That is never taught. Live your life in a good way and that is all you need to do to get to a better place after you are done living your life. God and Jesus accepts you whether you accept them or not.

Catholicism also teaches that God gave humankind free will and that is has nothing to do with the decisions of humankind. Satan told Jesus that he had the powers of God so he could make all of humanity good and then there would be no war, no hunger, no pain, no thirst. What you do with your life is your choice. Not God's, not Jesus's but yours. God gives humankind free will because of his love.

Anyways, I speak for Catholicism and not Christianity. Just like to point that out in the beginning.

[thingnumber2]

I'm not in the mood right now to argue my views, which have yet to be posted....I'll be on this topic soon enough though...

[rklenseth]

Also read a book called the General Scholium by Sir Issac Newton.

[west]

That is not taught in Catholicism, Kroner. You won't go to Hell for not believing. That is never taught. Live your life in a good way and that is all you need to do to get to a better place after you are done living your life. God and Jesus accepts you whether you accept them or not.

God and Jesus might, (I'm a non-denomination Protestant Christian, by the way--thought I'd make that clear) but the Catholic church won't let me take Communion because I'm not Catholic.

I'd also state that most Catholics don't believe that living your life in a good way is all you need to get to heaven. I think the official church line is still "if you're not a Catholic you're screwed".

Most other Christian churches allow anyone who believes in Jesus and his teachings to take Communion--Catholics only allow Catholics to. Says to me that they don't really believe other Christians are Christians.

Just food for thought, based on my observations.

[rklenseth]

That is not taught in Catholicism, Kroner. You won't go to Hell for not believing. That is never taught. Live your life in a good way and that is all you need to do to get to a better place after you are done living your life. God and Jesus accepts you whether you accept them or not.

God and Jesus might, (I'm a non-denomination Protestant Christian, by the way--thought I'd make that clear) but the Catholic church won't let me take Communion because I'm not Catholic.

I'd also state that most Catholics don't believe that living your life in a good way is all you need to get to heaven. I think the official church line is still "if you're not a Catholic you're screwed".

Most other Christian churches allow anyone who believes in Jesus and his teachings to take Communion--Catholics only allow Catholics to. Says to me that they don't really believe other Christians are Christians.

Just food for thought, based on my observations.

I should point out that I come from the Irish sect of Catholicism and that sect is a little bit more tolerant than other sects like Latin American, Spanish, or Italian sects. Those sects are extremely intolerant and up until about 20 years ago there were more than one Catholic Church in a community because there might be Irish Catholics or Italian Catholics or Latin American Catholics or Spanish Catholics all in the same community. It was considered damnation for an Italian Catholic to marry an Irish Catholic because there were so many different believe between the two. A lot of other Catholic sects believe Irish Catholic sects are unpure and not the true visions of God and Jesus Christ because we have so many pagan beliefs instituted into our religion.

[rklenseth]

An example of Irish Catholicism:

In life, there are only two things to worry about, either you are well, or you are sick. If you are well, there is nothing to worry about, but if you are sick, you have two things to worry about; either you will live, or you will die. If you live, there is nothing to worry about, if you die, you have two things to worry about; either you will go to heaven or to hell. If you go to heaven, there is nothing to worry about, but if you go to hell, you'll be so busy shaking hands with your friends, you won't have time to worry!

[rklenseth]

Another good example:

Father Murphy walks into a pub in Donegal, and says to the first man he meets, "Do you want to go to heaven?"
The man said, "I do Father."
The priest said, "Then stand over there against the wall." Then the priest asked the second man, "Do you want to go to heaven?"
"Certainly, Father," was the man's reply.
"Then stand over there against the wall," said the priest. Then Father Murphy walked up to O'Toole and said, "Do you want to go to heaven?"
O'Toole said, "No, I don't Father."
The priest said, "I don't believe this. You mean to tell me that when you die you don't want to go to heaven?"
O'Toole said, "Oh, when I die, yes. I thought you were getting a group together to go right now."

[Nick]

people are brainwashed from an early age not to question the faith or they will eventually face terrible consequences. this is not only a limiting but extremely dangerous mindset which leads to ignorance and, at times, intolerance.

And thats one reason Christianity is a cult.

[Meh]

Putting the holy relics aside for a momement.
If you can't see the funny in reality then I feel sorry for you.
To think that this funny came up on it's own is just a type of denial.

OK..The world will be a sphere...but to them it will look flat...then they'll figure out that it's round...oh...this is great...then later they realise just how small they are in creation...hahahaha...then of yes expansion form a single point...and the punch line expanding at a ever increasing rate...mwah....oh and then that all things that look ordered are actual floating on top of a constant state of qunatium flux...oh I crack myself up...

If your god isn't funny then you don't know god.
If you don't belive in good then your fairly humorless yourself.

[rklenseth]

Putting the holy relics aside for a momement.
If you can't see the funny in reality then I feel sorry for you.
To think that this funny came up on it's own is just a type of denial.

OK..The world will be a sphere...but to them it will look flat...then they'll figure out that it's round...oh...this is great...then later they realise just how small they are in creation...hahahaha...then of yes expansion form a single point...and the punch line expanding at a ever increasing rate...mwah....oh and then that all things that look ordered are actual floating on top of a constant state of qunatium flux...oh I crack myself up...

If your god isn't funny then you don't know god.
If you don't belive in good then your fairly humorless yourself.

I agree with you on that, Meh.

[grayjaket]

Ok, lemme see what I can add. First off, I'm a protestant, not sure where I fit in denomination wise, because well, denominations vary where you go. Same name, different views. Second I want to point out that just because someone claims to be a Christian, does not mean I support their views. Don't assume that like I've seen on other boards.

ok, let's kick this off.
i contend that all your religions are baseless and proofless, a means for people to explain what they cannot grasp in a simple yet unrealistic way.
people are brainwashed from an early age not to question the faith or they will eventually face terrible consequences. this is not only a limiting but extremely dangerous mindset which leads to ignorance and, at times, intolerance.

i do not deny the possibility of a god or gods but it would be impossible to say anything conclusive in this area including what the will of this higher being(s). therefore catering to what you think is the will of god is just silly.

Baseless and proofless eh? Well, what do you believe then? Sorry for diverting the topic, but where do you(or anyone who shares your views) think our universe came from?

[rklenseth]

What Jake says is true. There are over a hundred different denomination of Christians and many of them are very different from each other. I do hate how everyone seems to put them together collectively which is wrong.