Religion

[Mykey]

Doubly it is understood as that

[Pie]

But how? It at least needs a cause.

And I know everything is energy, but how I say?

HOOOOW!!!

*pie is confused*

[Diego]

so becaus the sirfice of an atom moves around alot, energy can be made?

No. There is no simple one-liner way to explain this. Not all physics can be summed up in quick analogies.

But how? It at least needs a cause.

Causality is not a given at this level. Causality is a law of the Universe at a larger scale of existance. However, at the sub-atomic level, things do not happen as the effect of something else. Events have probabilities of occurrance, and essentially act randomly within those probabilities.

[Pie]

They have a probability becaus there are things controlling them. The only way for you to have a probability of something happening is to have either a history of it happening, or knowing all the things that caus it.

pleas, send me a link.

(Nothing is actually truly random. Random things are just things that have just as much chance as all the other choices.)

[Diego]

I'm not sure if I can find a link. Most of these things require textbooks or journals to be found.

And there are no things controlling them, in the traditional sense of the word, aside from the laws that rule over the subatomic universe. We're talking about a quantum-like field with probabilities of energy and particles existing within given regions of it at certain points in time. There is no need for anything to be controlling these fields, this is their behavior.

And, I said, random within the given probabilities. As in, there are no factors determining the outcome except for the probabilities of the events.

If you're interested in the subject, I suggest reading recent articles by Stephen Hawking and recent publication by Tyron, Hartle and Vilenkin, that I know of.

[Antichrist_Online]

Pie, try the book, Flatterland by Ian Stewart, it's not as indepth as the others, but will give you a better understanding, and enable you to understand more of the others works.

[deadboy]

so becaus the sirfice of an atom moves around alot, energy can be made?

No. There is no simple one-liner way to explain this. Not all physics can be summed up in quick analogies.

But how? It at least needs a cause.

Causality is a law of the Universe at a larger scale of existance. However, at the sub-atomic level, things do not happen as the effect of something else. Events have probabilities of occurrance, and essentially act randomly within those probabilities.

Hang on a second, why should sub-atomic ramdonalities have -anything- to do with a creation. There -is- no atoms, or sub-atomic particles when there is nothing.

[deadboy]

Yes, the more I talk about these things the more I'm becoming certain that none of this actually does exist . I'm still pretty sure that existance is an impossibility

[deadboy]

*Cue me quoting "The wise man admits that he knows nothing" and going on to live my life sheltered from such thoughts lest my head ends up blowing up or I go insane *

Added on because I had done too many posts already : That is, sheltered from such thoughts and still hopefully immensely rich and happy , with a little luck. I never did get the human races obsesion with trying to know everything, it all ends up with people getting really confused and making random guesses, which eventually get proved wrong, and so they make another random guess in an endless cycle ending up with many random guesses that couldn't be proved wrong but arn't actually right anyway and lots of people quoting them . Oh yes, and alot of confusion too

[deadboy]

(Nothing is actually truly random. Random things are just things that have just as much chance as all the other choices.)

Sorry! Last post I swear!

This is very, very true. Give an example of something you think is random, something that proves chaos theory and I bet I can tell you why it isn't.

[Antichrist_Online]

Deadboy, there's an edit button for a reason.

In other news, the book "the collapse of chaos" is also pretty good, it's by Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen. Not the be all and end all of texts, but a good place to start.

[wichita]

My English translation of the Qu'ran came in the mail yesterday so I am having a read through it now.

[Diego]

Hang on a second, why should sub-atomic ramdonalities have -anything- to do with a creation. There -is- no atoms, or sub-atomic particles when there is nothing.

That is a misconception. The current model that the Big Bang works around is a primordial point-like quantum field with infinite density and enormous energetic content, not nothingness. Such a field would be within the scope of subatomic interaction laws.

[Mykey]

Yes well you! Stop!

[Pie]

(Nothing is actually truly random. Random things are just things that have just as much chance as all the other choices.)

Sorry! Last post I swear!

This is very, very true. Give an example of something you think is random, something that proves chaos theory and I bet I can tell you why it isn't.

Dice, and cards, if you can tell me why there is no randomness, in these games. We are going to vegas

Direction you through the dice. Tipe of cloth on the table, a breeze, beaometric pressure, the shape of the dice. GRAVITY even.

as for cards, how hard the guy shuffled (if he pressed harder on the cards it would make it go faster) wich side he started with, if the c3ards were previously shuffled, what cards that are alredy on the table and the like.