Evolution

[Pie]

Nothing is fact. Just some things are accepted as so, else we wouldn't be able to do anything. Newtons 'Laws' of motion are infact a theory. A theory that works, and doesn't seem likely to be proved incorrect, but they're still a theory nonetheless. Nothing, not a single thing at all, can be proven.

We still go by philosophical ideas rather than scientific ones for determing that we actually exist at all.

Evolution will never be proven, nor will creationism. get over it. Just believe what you want and wait until the next theory comes along.

but evolution doesent work, does it? it is a good they, but not a good fact.

evolution will never be proven right, and it has not been proven in a lab, all it has is simalaraty of genes. if not, then give me a link to the evedence.

a thery is:

1 : the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <the theory and practice of medicine>
a body of fact. stated here.

2 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain natural phenomena <a theory of organic evolution>
a plausible. it is plausible, but it has no evedence, no "body oc fact"

3 : a working hypothesis that is considered probable based on experimental evidence or factual or conceptual analysis and is accepted as a basis for experimentation
a WORKING HYPOTHASES that is conserderd probable based on EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE or FACTUAL or conceptual analasis. and also, is this acceptid as a basis for experimentation.

so, Evolution is hardly even a threy.

[The Industriallist]

Pie, do you read anything people write here? Like the post immediately before the one you quoted, explaining why what you just said was stupid?

Just to reiterate...correct, evolution is not a good fact. What would be a 'good fact' I don't know, since absolutely nothing about the world we live in can be absolutely proven.

There is a great deal more backing evolution as a theory than 'similarity of genes' though. Evolution on a small scale has been observed in the lab. The fossil record supports it. Find your own links...

[kinvoya]

Told ya.

[Pie]

you are saying that evolution isn't a good fact. correct?

and i edetid that a bit.

[kinvoya]

Yes, Pie. Everyone here agrees that evolution is a very, very bad fact.

Please go eat your cherry strudel.

[BadMonkey]

Okay, I don't know why I'm arguing with Pie, but it's getting late and I have nothing better to do.

No one claimed evolution was fact. But as The Industrialist pointed out, it has a lot going for it. It fits the evidence, and on microscopic levels has been observed. Very few theories which are generally accepted can match the level of evidence behind evolution.

But those are not argued against, because those do not disagree with a religion. Many go completely against humanity, against our right to even exist, but not against religion. And, as the ideas (Not theories) which go against it show, religion seems to be the major opposition force. Well, major in the public view. The ones working strongest against it are the scientists themselves, picking at each little bit, trying to find a flaw. And they frequently do, causing the theory to be tweaked.

Arguing against the validity of a theory by stating that it isn't fact is stupid. Trying to find legitimate reasons why it is wrong is science. See the difference?

[Pie]

aha. so your saying that i should try and find a reson why it isn't rong.

this is pointles. you will never see what i am trying to say(ya bitches just don't connect.) and i will at least try and see what you are trying to say.

i will discontinue my argument with a last statement. good luck trying to prove it. cous it ain't going to happen.

[BadMonkey]

Er. I'll try and piece together what that meant....

No, i don't want you to find a reason why it isn't wrong. I want people with experience, or atleast intelligence, trying to prove it IS, otherwise science wouldn't work.

[Floyd]

Yes, thats been said countless times by people supporting evoloution.. are you going to prove creationism Pie? 'cos seriously if you can get God to come down onto the Cantr forum and clear up this mess, then i might start taking you a little more seriously.. Lets just hope he dont spell as bad as you.. Geez

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This is what i'm refering to btw...

good luck trying to prove it. cous it ain't going to happen

[Pie]

aha. so your saying that i should try and find a reson why it isn't rong.

this is pointles. you will never see what i am trying to say(ya bitches just don't connect.) and i will at least try and see what you are trying to say.

i will discontinue my argument with a last statement. good luck trying to prove it. cous it ain't going to happen.

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evolving will never become a fact, and is compleatly rong. ime only saying that EVLOLVING is rong. and it will never become tru, nomater how long you wait.

[BadMonkey]

evolution will never be true, and you arnt ever going to be able to prove this as a fact. it will forever be and remain, a thery.

No. The point is that evolution is most likely to be true of the current theories. That is all that can be said of any of the current theories in any area of science. And all theories remain theories because nothing can be proven. Why is that so hard to understand? Don't cling to the fact that evolution isn't DEFINITELY correct and twist that to claim that it must be wrong. Because there is no logic in that whatsoever.

That's the equivalent of me saying I'm English, but that since you can't prove that I am, I must not be English afterall.

It makes no sense.

[Floyd]

will discontinue my argument with a last statement

evolution will never be true, and you arnt ever going to be able to prove this as a fact. it will forever be and remain, a thery

Yes thats true.. 100% that is what alot of people have being trying to tell you

However

Creationism will never be true, and you arn't ever going to be able to prove it as a fact, it is and will, remain forever a theory

[Pie]

aha. so your saying that i should try and find a reson why it isn't rong.

this is pointles. you will never see what i am trying to say(ya bitches just don't connect.) and i will at least try and see what you are trying to say.

i will discontinue my argument with a last statement. good luck trying to prove it. cous it ain't going to happen.

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evolving will never become a fact, and is compleatly rong. ime only saying that EVLOLVING is rong. and it will never become tru, nomater how long you wait.

[BadMonkey]

The point of repeating that was?

[Pie]

gravaty became a fact. but evolving will always be a non proven, no evedence, fath based thery.