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Do you agree?

Poll ended at Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:23 pm

Disagree with 1, 2 & 3
15
48%
Disagree with 2 & 3
0
No votes
Disagree with 3
2
6%
I don't wanna take sides
6
19%
Agree with all
8
26%
 
Total votes: 31
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Postby Nixit » Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:37 pm

Pie wrote:number 1 and 2.

And plus... 99% of the animals on the earth are icstinct. you know, they aren't here anymore.(Just explaining "Icstinct") So, God did make some organisms that can't change well enough to survive.

And... Well, were here, so that's your 2.


Wait... reading this again... you believe in evolution then?
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Postby west » Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:48 pm

If Nixit's right, Pie believes in a scientific theory that is informed by the evidence of a century and more of direct observation, all of modern genetics, and millions of years of fossil records, is corraborated and boosted by palentology, astrology, meteorology, and geology and has benefitted from hundreds of thousands of individual collaborating contributions from tens of thousands of scientists.

I don't believe it :lol:
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Postby Nalaris » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:58 am

Pie, I can't say I know any of this for sure (is it bad that I can't wait to die so I can enter the next life and find out, but know that seeking my own death would be a sin that might condemn me to a degree of reward wherein I can't find out (and besides that I've still got stuff to do here before I leave)?) but keep in mind that Adam and Eve did NOT write the book of Genesis. The five 'books of Moses' were written by God and given to Moses on Mt. Sinai and were probably written during the actual events (I'm almost positive that's correct).
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Postby Nalaris » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:59 am

west wrote:If Nixit's right, Pie believes in a scientific theory that is informed by the evidence of a century and more of direct observation, all of modern genetics, and millions of years of fossil records, is corraborated and boosted by palentology, astrology, meteorology, and geology and has benefitted from hundreds of thousands of individual collaborating contributions from tens of thousands of scientists.

I don't believe it :lol:


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Postby west » Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:02 am

Nalaris wrote:
west wrote:If Nixit's right, Pie believes in a scientific theory that is informed by the evidence of a century and more of direct observation, all of modern genetics, and millions of years of fossil records, is corraborated and boosted by palentology, astrology, meteorology, and geology and has benefitted from hundreds of thousands of individual collaborating contributions from tens of thousands of scientists.

I don't believe it :lol:


I TOLD you there was a God.


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Postby Pie » Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:20 pm

Well, I'm lost by all your talking... so... I'le just try and explain myself... And also, Nixit, pleas quote that post that I forgot to comment on.(I can't find it :oops: )

And what I ment right there, was adaptation. Becous... well we're here. we survived the flood, we survived many things. we are an adapting speces. And god made some speces that can't stand the heat, and cant adapt(dinosours) And some that can(Us.) But maby, just maby, Dinosourse could change. I mean, the only thing that killed them was noas flood, and we were only saved becous noa was really cool... So we don't know.

And now I leave this debate, board, and go to eve(Online game :D so cool...(Bless me jos for I have sind))
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Postby Nixit » Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:30 pm

Nixit wrote:
Now, God knows us all extremely well. If, based on what he knows of us, he figures out that person A will not pray, than he doesn't program into the Earth 'do X thing for person A'. If he figures that person A will pray, he does program into the Earth 'do X thing for person A'. And he's never been wrong.


If this is true Nalaris, then Pie is wrong? Because he said that we all have free will, but that does not seem much like free will.


Pie Wrote:
CARBON DATING is bunk. You guys don't know SQUAT about earths age, and no Carbon Dating "System" Is going to be able to find out. Thus, you have no basis to the earths age. Or anythings age, for that matter. And thus, we can rule out evolution, becous evolution needs time, and we just don't have that much time on the earth.


Regardless of whether Carbon Dating is 'bunk (I don't believe that but haven't done enough research on it to prove you wrong),' that does not rule out evolution. If carbon dating wasn't right, that doesn't mean that the age of the earth is automatically much shorter than what Carbon dating says. For all you know, it could be even older!


And you seem to use this bug thing in the stomach as a reason that scientists are brainwashed.
a) That's only one scenario and doesn't necessarily prove anything.
b) You seem to generalize scientists as one whole group and it sounds like you are saying that every scientist didn't believe this bug thing.
c) They believe it now, right? Perhaps there wasn't sufficient evidence when this concept was first opened to the world... and often times concepts that change many things (I don't know if this qualifies as one though) are often not accepted at FIRST, because it goes against many previous things, but that is not because they are brainwashed. It is simply because there have been things earlier that have been made scientifically solid that don't mix with this new idea... however, scientists usually realize later (usually with MORE evidence) that there, in fact, are bugs in the stomach.

All in all, I don't think you have much grounds to say that scientists are brainwashed (maybe some are, but some people in every profession are most likely), but I don't think that others have much grounds to say that people in religion are brainwashed (obviously some are though).


Em... this one I believe. It's a bit lengthy.
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Postby Jack Dudeman » Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:43 pm

I know I said that I wouldn't be responding to anymore nonsense, but Noah's ark and dinosaurs? I'm pretty sure that humans didn't interact with dinosaurs. Actually, we were separated by several million years. And the leading theory of the extinction of the dinosaurs was by a meteor, asteroid, or a comet. (no one really knows for sure) So, how do you explain the mass extinction 250 million years ago, before the dinosaurs? If you want to rebuke that the Earth is not that old... I'll believe several million scientists before I believe religious zealots.

((edit: adjusted wording that was irking me))
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Postby Dee » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:20 pm

Pie, I don't know where you get your information from!! Dinasours? You've really done it this time... Dinasours??

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Postby Nixit » Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:51 am

Not to mention the fact that astronomers are SEEING with their own eyes stars being FORMED every day in distant galaxies.
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Postby west » Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:28 am

This whole thread reminds me of Stephen Colbert's "truthiness."

Actual facts don't matter, it's how strongly you feel something that ist he mark of how truthy it is.

"Truthiness is the quality by which a person purports to know something emotionally or instinctively, without regard to evidence or to what the person might conclude from intellectual examination." --Wikipedia.

The millions of bits of collaborative evidence that add up to the larger theories and principles that explain our world as best we can don't matter; they can be freely ignored because you "feel" that something else is true.

Believe that dinosaurs and humans coexisted? You do that and you ignore the MASSIVE body of evidence that brings us inexorably to the conclusion that they didn't.

The arguments for Intelligent Design or Young-Earth Creationism or dinosaurs and humans coexisting run directly counter to logic, empirical evidence, and the whole scientific method. Science starts with evidence and tests it and puts it together and tries to see how it all adds up; ID and the others start with a conclusion and try to find evidence that fits it. That's called a "foregone conclusion" and it's absolutely ridiculous.
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Postby formerly known as hf » Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:33 am

west wrote:The millions of bits of collaborative evidence that add up to the larger theories and principles that explain our world as best we can don't matter; they can be freely ignored because you "feel" that something else is true.
Which is why I gave up talking to pie...

Although this does just take the piss, pie.

Dinosaurs and Noah!

That hasn't been a seriously believed suggestion since the first discovery of fossils over a Century ago.

Out of interest, pie, who put the idea in your head that dinosaurs co-existed with humans, and were wiped out in the flood?

Because, whoever told you that, if they're an adult, is not to be trusted - because any adult with a smidgen of intelligence couldn't seriously believe that claim - you are either listening to a total moron, or they are lying to you.
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Postby Valsum » Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:24 pm

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Postby Dee » Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:27 pm

That's very impressive :)

I've always believed that science and relegion are related.
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Postby Pie » Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:42 pm

A similar story surrounds the dating of the primate skull known as KNM-ER 1470.11 This started with an initial 212 to 230 Ma, which, according to the fossils, was considered way off the mark (humans ‘weren’t around then’). Various other attempts were made to date the volcanic rocks in the area. Over the years an age of 2.9 Ma was settled upon because of the agreement between several different published studies (although the studies involved selection of ‘good’ from ‘bad’ results, just like Australopithecus ramidus, above

Quoted frome http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs200 ... dating.asp

and pleas give me that massive information. I don't just take what you guys try and feed me. Give me that evidence. GIVE ME EVIDENCE, OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

And there is also a massive amount of evidence to the corospondant living of dinosourse and humans.

http://www.cryingvoice.com/Evolution/Dinos.html
http://www.creationists.org/mananddinos.html
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/dinoscoexist.html
the one above is a more questionable site, but i should post it anyway.
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