The Religion Debate Thread

[grayjaket]

jake, evolution is in complete keeping with scientific knowledge. creationism is strictly not. i could go into why, but i really don't feel like it. evolution is still called a theory the same way relativity is... except that evolution is even more intuitively obvious and provable. darwin was a genius... really.

and you still haven't given me any examples of where the bible proves science wrong! i'm waiting ever so patiently.

Lol, is it now? Tell me how it is, and I'll tell you how creationism is.
I heard somewhere that Darwin became a Christian and denied evolution in his last years. Yeah, he was pretty smart that guy....:p Well they didn't neccessarily prove science wrong, there are just things in there that talk about stuff that wasn't common knowledge back then. Like knowing about ocean currents, and there is something in there that points that the earth was round. Way before it's time. Now I'd like you tell me where science proves the Bible wrong.

[Meh]

I don't belive he is claiming to have an example of the bible proving science wrong.

Nor could there be scientific evidence proving or disproving matters of faith.

If you were going to create a universe that requires faith not proof that people belive in you would you have done it any other way?

I'm not asking anyone to come to the altar here and accept the lord.

I just think the HOW (science) is a diffferent issue than the WHY (faith or the lack thereof).

[rklenseth]

jake, evolution is in complete keeping with scientific knowledge. creationism is strictly not. i could go into why, but i really don't feel like it. evolution is still called a theory the same way relativity is... except that evolution is even more intuitively obvious and provable. darwin was a genius... really.

and you still haven't given me any examples of where the bible proves science wrong! i'm waiting ever so patiently.

Lol, is it now? Tell me how it is, and I'll tell you how creationism is.
I heard somewhere that Darwin became a Christian and denied evolution in his last years. Yeah, he was pretty smart that guy....:p Well they didn't neccessarily prove science wrong, there are just things in there that talk about stuff that wasn't common knowledge back then. Like knowing about ocean currents, and there is something in there that points that the earth was round. Way before it's time. Now I'd like you tell me where science proves the Bible wrong.

Darwin was always a Christian. He made up the theory on his observations of birds on an island. He never actually agreed that the theory was true and always claimed he believed in Creationism. Just one of those ironic things that happen in history I guess.

[rklenseth]

jake, evolution is in complete keeping with scientific knowledge. creationism is strictly not. i could go into why, but i really don't feel like it. evolution is still called a theory the same way relativity is... except that evolution is even more intuitively obvious and provable. darwin was a genius... really.

and you still haven't given me any examples of where the bible proves science wrong! i'm waiting ever so patiently.

Actually, there are books where scientists have used scientific fact to back up Creationism. Both Creationism and Evolution are still theories, which can almost never be proven for the most part, that both have scientific facts that back each other up. You just have to choose which one you believe in or mix them together like some people do. But the thing is that it is pointless to argue something that no one can ever prove. If any of them actually happened then they happened millions of years ago and so can never be proven.

[kroner]

silly rkl, you can't prove anything... but i'll save that arguement for my grand philosophy debate (must wait fot the right time ). now, you can use theories that are probable and have a gernerally high chance of being right, or you can base your life around theories that have a very low chance of being right. now i think it's fairly obvious which one will lead you to make decisions more in keeping with reality as you assume it exists.

@meh: take a gander at these...

It doesn't prove neccessarily. What I meant was, that things in the Bible have contradicted past science and turned out in the end to be right. The Bible has never been proven wrong by science.

I don't know if you knew, but there are things in the Bible that have proved SCIENCE wrong.

umm... i think your going to have to support that with some evidence... until then, just no.

I will, but right now I'm kinda busy, in a couple hours...

[kroner]

I just think the HOW (science) is a diffferent issue than the WHY (faith or the lack thereof).

I'm arguing that once you accept the HOW, you are left with absolutely no insight what so ever into the WHY. In this regaurd a god or gods may or may not exist, but to assume that yes god is a truth and god wills this and that is rediculous. Just as likely is that the universe comes from the excrement of a giant talking pineapple that really just wants everyone to listen to disco and flip each other off.

[Meh]

I see now.

On all sides I recommend not trying to to have sceince prove or disprove the bible or vise versa. The bible is not a FAQ for the universe. It is a really long capitial rule discussion that hasn't been updated in nearly 2000 years and some of the translation work done on it was really screwed up in some of the versions that are floating around. But it's not like there's going to be any burning bushes popping up anytime soon to clarify things. So you'll just have to deal with it the way it is. But if your interested in the postion of updating it contact prophets@alpha-omega.gov.

[rklenseth]

silly rkl, you can't prove anything... but i'll save that arguement for my grand philosophy debate (must wait fot the right time ). now, you can use theories that are probable and have a gernerally high chance of being right, or you can base your life around theories that have a very low chance of being right. now i think it's fairly obvious which one will lead you to make decisions more in keeping with reality as you assume it exists.

@meh: take a gander at these...

It doesn't prove neccessarily. What I meant was, that things in the Bible have contradicted past science and turned out in the end to be right. The Bible has never been proven wrong by science.

I don't know if you knew, but there are things in the Bible that have proved SCIENCE wrong.

umm... i think your going to have to support that with some evidence... until then, just no.

I will, but right now I'm kinda busy, in a couple hours...

And Evolution has a high probability of being reality? The Evolution theory has had its set backs. First it was the finding that the DNA of apes are not even close to being the same to human disproving the theory that humans came from a lower form of ape. Also with that discovery of those human fossils that bore the resemblance of modern humans and the DNA of modern humans a few thousand years before the existance of the other so called ape like fossils that were believed to be the forefathers of modern humans so that theory was thrown straight out the window. Many scientists have pointed out the problems with Evolution and how it could not work. As I said, there are books disproving Evolution just as many books that disprove Creationism. Who is right is up to the matter of your opinion. If you have it stuck in your head already that it can only be Evolution then nothing anybody says can make you believe otherwise. Likewise goes for Creationism.

I do believe personally that Evolution occurs. It is quite natural for things to adapt to the enviroment they are introduced to. It is either that or they simply cease to exist. But I do believe something had have to have started the chain reaction somewhere down the line. So I believe this higher being, or my God, started it.

[grayjaket]

I really like what RKL said for the most part. He's looking at both sides, and being pretty fair. Anyway,g2g i'll post more later probably...I think...

[new.vogue.nightmare]

I see now.

On all sides I recommend not trying to to have sceince prove or disprove the bible or vise versa. The bible is not a FAQ for the universe. It is a really long capitial rule discussion that hasn't been updated in nearly 2000 years and some of the translation work done on it was really screwed up in some of the versions that are floating around. But it's not like there's going to be any burning bushes popping up anytime soon to clarify things. So you'll just have to deal with it the way it is. But if your interested in the postion of updating it contact prophets@alpha-omega.gov.

That was perfect.

[trage]

But it's not like there's going to be any burning bushes popping up anytime soon to clarify things.

Actually if you have read the book of revelations in the bible which is supposedly coming it states that the anti-christ will come and rule for seven years. There will be a rapture before than which will take all "real" Christians to heaven, and after that god will send his judgements to earth and those who are converted will be given the chance to be with him in heaven.

Now the only reason I am mentioning this is because it talks about how there will be a mark of the beast which is supposedly a nano chip in the forehead, and the temple will be rebuilt. Also a leader from Europe (yes all evil things come from Europe) who will bring peace for one year and will persuade many people. He will turn out to be the Anti-Christ.

Now we have been making breakthroughs in nano technology recently and I don't think a nano chip could be far off, and they are starting to find the artifacts that belonged to the temple in Israel. So how far do you honestly think it could be off? Than again someone will start yelling about this so go ahead tell me what you think.

[The Hunter]

Yeah, another thing nearly all religions have in common. The "non believers" will be punished... Severely.
So to ensure my survival and to go to heaven, I'm thinking about practicing every religion in this world.

Anyway, might be mightily intersting to watch. Do they sell front seat tickets?

[trage]

The reason I mentioned this Hunter was because it wrote about nano technology 2000 years ago. Honestly who the hell is going to know about nano technology 2000 years in the past?

[The Hunter]

Yeah, and Nostradamus predicted WWII and the nuke's on japan, etc... But his riddles on those event's weren't "explained" untill after those events. It's like a horoscope or the oracle.

But I'll give you a chance. quote that part about the nano tech here pls... Let's just see what we can make of it.

And yeah, all evil comes from europe, Americans included.

[grayjaket]

Ummm...trage, it isn't in the Bible. It just mentions a mark, and scholars believe it might be a nano chip since that kinda makes sense. Disbelieve now Hunter, when it happens...it happens. Read the Left Behind series if you want an interesting view on that. Good books. And yeah, the non believers will be punished. They rejected God. So he rejects them. But not after giving them ample oppurtunity to accept him.