Religion

[Jack Dudeman]

Who are you talking to?

[alek]

Einstein once said that the only religion that science "accepts" is buddhism.
Acctually buddhism shouldn't be called religion (see the genesis of world "religion") and has no god to pray to.

Taking Einstein as an authority and following the rules of logic:

The only religion that science accepts is buddhism. Only religion with no god is buddhism. Therefore science decline the existence of God.

How about this my friends?

[Jack Dudeman]

Pie, please think for yourself. Your mom doesn't know everything. And if you want to read some scriptures from the bible, why don't we:

According to the bible, you may not cut your hair or trim your beard. (Leviticus 19:27).

You may own slaves, so long as they are not from your native country. (Leviticus 25:44)

Leviticus Chapter 11 states what foods you may eat, and which ones you may not. Who actually follows these rules? Are these sins being repented or not? People should not be sorry for, or ask atonement for eating a shrimp, any more than they should for being homosexual.

The bible even gives guidelines as to how you should acquire and treat your slaves. (Exodus 21)

You may be killed if you work on Sunday. (Exodus 35:2)

And you may not be in any kind of contact with a woman on her menstrual cycle. (Lev.15:19-24) But how are you supposed to know unless you ask her... which I don't think she would appreciate, as it is no one's business but hers.

I could go on, but I'll let you digest that for a moment. And if you're going to follow the bible's teachings, you should follow them all, not just the ones that you agree with.

[KVZ]

You're one of those conspiracy people, aren't you?

You know, one of my girl budies just call herself conspiracy. I like that, I agree... Any problem for you with that?

Not ecspecially. I didn't understand that fully, but I don't THINK I have a problem with that.

I see that you STILL have some problems with understanding. Sorry, but I cannot help you with that...

There's more evidence for God than aliens.

What evidences? Humbug! Show me those!

The only prophecy that has failed to come true are those related to armageddon. Joseph Smith predicted that on the American continent brother would fight brother for four years. Joseph Smith died before the Civil War ever took place.

Yeah... I can predict future too, and other scientists too. Like Marion King Hubbert predicted peak of oil production in USA. That is not evidence for existence of god.

I have my personal experiences. Wanna discuss those?

Yes! It brings into the equation a previously unknown factor.

They were hypnotised or something. I saw that in their eyes. Not like humans. They not looked at things like humans do. I suppose that they showed me that because I wanted to contact them more close when I was in telepatical contact with them.

The only difference is that a lot more people claim to have witnessed God than to have witnessed aliens.

Even you heard about "Minority Raport" based on novel Philip K. Dick? That is no argument for me what you said. Brainwashing people about god is very easy. Look, in Poland there is one sect's radiostation which does brainwashing about god. Every wise Pole knows about that. Radio Marry (called also as radio which have snout, because it reads the same in Polish) with Father Director Rydzyk, but those mohair beret grandmas just believes in that humbug! Sic!

I'm not sure I understood any of that, except that somewhere along the lines there was a brainwashing radio station...meh, I won't argue with what I can't read. I have heard of the Minority Report, but I can't seem to recall any details...

I see that you have serious problems with reading. I cannot help you with that Look, all I wanted to say is, that is very easy to manipulate vast majority of dumb people which believe in religion humbug, and so on. Majority naver have any right. That is humbug, and every wise man should know that.

You contact them, huh? Tell me more. That raises quite a few interesting questions.

Look above. Anyway, I could tell you any fable about aliens, but who cares? I just wanna that you would see the point. It is easier to believe in those aliens, because there were many so called non questionable evidences which can help to believe. Just read some of Carl Sagan. Universe is rather very big, and so on... But talking about god is for my just worse fable, than talking about aliens. That is what I wanted to say at the start of this discussion.

Yeah, Prayers Dept. always for your service

You have no actual argument against my point and therefore respond with slightly witty quips. A common defense.

No defence. You just not get my sense of humor

Can I quote Lenin about religion? It is opium for people

Who cares what Lenin says? My religion leads people to a better lifestyle on Earth, never mind beyond it.

You are some priest? Do you not? Well, I CARE about what comrade Lenin said. For my he was GOOD example of good commie (in opposite to Stalin and others murders which killed idea of GOOD communist state), and very big philosophical authority. You are 'right side' man of power, so you will never try to understand him. But what I can say... Why we live in that so good religious world of you, and there is so much poor people in Africa and so on? Why your religion cannot help them? Huh?

He made it for him. He programmed the entire Universe in advance, compacting it in to one small speck. Then he blew it up. Or so the theory goes. There's no way to truly be sure.

No, if there would any god exist he could only blew things up. God would not be scientist. Because religion was always against science Because it is none secret that more educated people would harder believe in any humbug.

And in the future, try to spell my name right.

No problem. I was bit drunk mentaly, so I misseplled it

[Pie]

Pie, please think for yourself. Your mom doesn't know everything. And if you want to read some scriptures from the bible, why don't we:

According to the bible, you may not cut your hair or trim your beard. (Leviticus 19:27).

You may own slaves, so long as they are not from your native country. (Leviticus 25:44)

Leviticus Chapter 11 states what foods you may eat, and which ones you may not. Who actually follows these rules? Are these sins being repented or not? People should not be sorry for, or ask atonement for eating a shrimp, any more than they should for being homosexual.

The bible even gives guidelines as to how you should acquire and treat your slaves. (Exodus 21)

You may be killed if you work on Sunday. (Exodus 35:2)

And you may not be in any kind of contact with a woman on her menstrual cycle. (Lev.15:19-24) But how are you supposed to know unless you ask her... which I don't think she would appreciate, as it is no one's business but hers.

I could go on, but I'll let you digest that for a moment. And if you're going to follow the bible's teachings, you should follow them all, not just the ones that you agree with.

jewish costum.. jewish costum... jewish costum, and a very wise one, becous you could get a deseas if you eat pig... jewish costum, and a good one. What exactly does that one say? And the last one... common sence. and a jewish costum.

Not necesaraly laws, mind you. Customs. And Jesus has reprimanded some of the customs also. Oh, and somewere it sais that God loves a flexable heard more than an inflexibal custom.

Also, keves... Its the POLITICAL church that dosen't agree with science.

Our RELIGION Can help them. Do you know how many mitionarys have gon down there and brought food with them and fed the people and stuff? bout tree-fidi-HUNDRED THOUSAND(350,000)

And plus... god gave man free will. Darn despotism governmets are ruining everything.

As I have said before, if Cristianity (Hypothetically) was a scientific fact wich was against cristianity, everyone would be cristians. Becous cristianity ACTUALLY HAS PROOF FOR IT!!!

(Brainwashing people about science is even easyer...)

(Try explaining all the predictions that paul made 2000 YEARS AHEAD OF HIS TIME!!!)

(Oh, and sorry, my answers for you are a bit out of order.

[Dee]

Err.. We don't eat pigs as well... And it has proven that it does get you dieseases.

[Jack Dudeman]

Most americans, including myself, eat lots of pork. Bacon, ribs, loin, ham, etc. Show me proof that eating pork causes a 'disease' that any other meat cannot cause. What about poultry? Salmonella causes a 'disease,' and you can only contract it by eating poultry, or something contaminated by poultry.

I am a chef, and have never heard of anyone getting an disease from eating pork. You must be thinking of trichinosis which has practically been eradicated (through science) in the United States because someone figured out that feeding pigs sanitary feed (not garbage) would erase the problem.

jewish costum.. jewish costum... jewish costum, and a very wise one, becous you could get a deseas if you eat pig... jewish costum, and a good one. What exactly does that one say? And the last one... common sence. and a jewish costum.

What are you saying? That it is okay to murder someone for working on Sunday, or that because something is 'custom' it is justified? And you think slavery is okay as well? The bible never condemns slavery at all. In fact, it gives guidelines as to how you should buy and sell human beings. Not to mention the guidelines it gives as to how you should beat them or set them free depending on how they act. These are the morals and ethics of the Christian bible.

[SekoETC]

Pork may contain trichina. That's a parasite.

Parasitic nematode occurring in the intestines of pigs and rats and human beings and producing larvae that form cysts in skeletal muscles.

Also pork causes gout.

I think they are killed in proper boiling but back when people were primitive nomads, the cause of diseases was not known and hygiene was poor. Hence the rules for handling meat in the Torah, and setting out the blood.

Also it's said that shellfish should not be eaten (I think), that spoils very easily and can cause severe poisoning. Also some people are allergic to seafood and may die from eating it, or in severe cases they can get symptoms from even breathing the steam coming from a dish of seafood. So all the regulations were to protect the people. It's a different question are they still valid today... I've never eaten meat because my mom read from the Bible that's forbidden.

[Crosshair]

Blimey...

Valid facts, and yes, shellfish is forbidden in the Torah. as is ANY animal with cloven feet.

[Jack Dudeman]

Trichinosis, as I said is no longer a problem in most of the civilized world. The bible does indeed say that it is forbidden to eat any fish without scales or fins. But why didn't god just tell everyone that they needed to cook the pork, so as not to get sick, instead of not eating it at all? Or that they couldn't leave clams sitting out in the sun all day before eating them and getting sick. The bible doesn't say that, it says that they are forbidden. By the way, only animals with cloven feet that don't chew their cud are forbidden. This excludes cattle, which have cloven hooves. (according to the christian bible)

These rules just seem silly to me, I suppose. If there's an omnipotent, omniscient god out there, why does he care if I eat an oyster? In fact, if there is such a superhuman being who created the universe, and all the laws of physics, and such, I think he would be infinitely above our worship, praise, and even our prayers.

[Mykey]

Now all became clear, many thanks for the help in this question.

[Stan]

I'm kind of back for a day or so. I think it's interesting to see the number of people that have read this thread.

If nothing else, I think it speaks to the interest we all have (on which ever side of the fence we're on) about the topic of religion. That seems right to me. I think it's a good debate to have.

Think about it. If God does or doesn't exist it really is one of the most profound things with huge reward or consequence we could talk about.

[Pie]

READ what I said again. Now... lets disasembal my sentance. First werd. jewish. Something that pretains to being jewish. Secon't word, Custom. Something that is taught as a tradition of being in a group. now lets see... blah blah blah... I didn't say much els.

(By the way, a custom ISN'T a law. It's a custom.)
(Also, those are the laws for the levites. The people who take care of the temple(Hence... Leviticus. I think its pronounced Leviteicus.))

Jack dudman... THAT IS THE BUTY OF IT!!!(Made it three "!'s" For you, keves) That god would actually love us enough to come doun to earth, ACTUALLY DIE for us!!! Just becous he loved us.

(Mykey:I'm actually awar of that. Yes i do want to do right, I do to, I am but i know alot alredy, And i know)

Also, one thing to think about.

I give you two choices. But let me explain them first. If god exists, than it won't really matter, now will it? You will all go to the same place... or lack of place as I will, nomater what you did, and will do. But if God DOES exists, THEN THIS COULD BE YOUR LAST CHANCE!!! If you were to repent right now, but god dosen't exist, than, well, at least now you know. But if god DOES exist, than WHOOHO!!!

I gues what I am saying is, Nobody REALLY knows if god exists, but why take that chance? There is evidence... and you never know. And it won't really hurt you, will it?

1# cristianity 2# Real life

(Exit, stage right.)

[Mykey]

And all?

[Pie]

(Judgment day is your last chance. Well.. actually, that's your judgment. so... THIS IS A ONE TIME SAILE!!! JUDGMENT dAY IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER!!!!( )

Alredy answerd this question.First off... the lake of fire is for the devil, his angels, and all liears... AND when jesus comes back, You will be judged by your works, and them by your religion, and then if you are a higher elect. Nothing sais that non-believers(unless you had a fair chance) would go into hell. But in the end, we really don't know.