Religion

[Mafia Salad]

I am curious, though, because Nalaris: you claim to have felt the divine power many times in your life, and that has confirmed your belief in God and in Mormonism. Stan, you say you have felt similar feelings and so you believe as well. Dee, as well, you have said that your prays have been answered, and must obviously have felt this sort of divine power. No doubt millions and maybe billions feel this way also.

However, if all of these people have 'felt' this divine force, but many of them are from completely different religions and backgrounds, what does that say about this divine feeling? I'm not trying to disprove anything, because that would be futile and naive, but I am curious to all of your response on this.


EDIT: Not bad for a 2000th post.

The Bible teaches that the fealing of divine presence can be faked. God isn't the only spirit acting in the world, and demonic spirits can immitate God and fool humans easily, even Christians.

1 Timothy chapter 4
1Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

1 John chapter 4
1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses Jesus as the Christ who has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God, and this is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming, and now is already in the world.

[formerly known as hf]

Also, West didn't say that, the writer of 'The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy' did, and he was making a joke. The whole book was a joke, none of it making any sense.

I know west didn't say that, I added that quote as an addition to the debate on the origins of the universe, then went on a different tangent to decalre west a dude.

And there's laboratory evidence that aliens may be hallucinations caused by strange conditions rarely encountered in nature

There is laboratory evidence that suggests that divine visions, of God, are nothing more than hallucinations produced in rare circumstances.

[Dee]

West and Hermi are right... Posting here is pointless.

I hope you remember me when you die... "Oh, Dee was right. There IS a God!"

[nitefyre]

Check the abbreviated numerical date out.

[Dee]

Huh? I didn't get that...

[Gender]

06.06.06... it's today...

[ushol]

Dee... i don't believe, because i don't feel nobody like God... In your posts you forgot arguments. You say that God make you happy... that he make something you pray for... why??... Bible say: "First will be last, last will be first" think about that... if I've been you I would be afraid... you will go to hell... You believe because you get what you want... If I've been you I would pray for suffering... paradox, because if you would get suffer you would be happy... circle... In my opinion good believer is sad believer, because being happy is first step to reconciliation with devil...

but whatever... i'm someone like atheist, or agnosic... do what you want, and what you believie is good...

[Dee]

Just to be clear on something, I know that I am going to hell. Why? Because I'm not perfect. I'm not a saint. I do mistakes. But I also know that eventually I will go to heaven, because I'm a believer.


Some people might stay in hell for the rest of their lives (or deaths.. It's confusing) and some will go to hell for a while, then go to heaven.


I will post no more here... I hope..

[Antichrist_Online]

Two quotes on the after life I find good:
"Hell is other people"
Jean-Paul Sartre

And

"I don't believe in an afterlife, so I don't have to spend my whole life fearing hell, or fearing heaven even more. For whatever the tortures of hell, I think the boredom of heaven would be even worse."
Isaac Asimov

Also one aimed at 'Intellegent Design's' idea of if we don't know it it was a god/being/FSM

"Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. "
Isaac Asimov

And Finally, because he said so much good stuff, this thread falls into this one:
"If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them."
Isaac Asimov

[Pie]

...... I can find no relavance for that to this situation....

and also, When it said the first will be last, it was talking about thos who MAKE themselves first, or those who put themselves before other people. And those people who put other people before them... they will be first. It is basicly the same as "the meek shall inherit the earth" exept... a bit more... confusing.

now... lets see.... an educated gues is when you try and take everything you know for a fact to be true, and based on them, you figure out a logical answer to the question at hand. that sounds ALOT like what you said. In fact.... lets try and make that explanation sound more, scientific, so it will sound even MORE like what you said.

An educated gues is when you take every proven scientific/mathmatical/historical fact(based apon the question) and you fabricate an answer that logically fits in with all of the facts that you referd apon to create your educated gues.

[Antichrist_Online]

Pie, a theory isn't something that you get before the evidence, it's something the evidence fails to disagree with until you get more evidence. I think that is where scientist and non-scientist have the big missunderstandings.

[Pie]

you know what? I would like it SO much better, if you would actually, instead of making therys about things, make educated gueses. Becous educated gueses are MUCH better than therys. Therys have no confering evidences, wile educated gueses do.

(EDIT:sorry, i wanted to make this statment more... understandibal) Hypothetically, if cristianity was a scietific thery, and it disagreed with cristianity(I SAID hypotheticly) than EVERYONE AROUND THE WORLD WOULD BE CRISTIANS!!! Cristianity has more proof about it that any other scientific thing(that is against god, or cristianity. and plus, it has more proof than evolution...)And you know why that is? It's becous SCIENCE IS BRAINWASHING!!! Most of it anyway....(evolution, for one....)It's TRUE!!! These two guys,(Don't ask....(If you can find out what i mean... I'L GIVE YOU A COOKIE!!! ) found out that germs could live in the stomak, but NOBODY BELEAVED THEM FOR 10 YEARS!!! BRAINWASHING!!!

and you said that cristianity brainwashes people.

[Antichrist_Online]

Show me thier experimental evidence, and the best they can do is fail to disprove their hypothesis enough. Nothing is ever proven, not even exsistance, gravity or anything else you want to bring up, just sufficently failed to be disproven. The evidence doens't say "it happened like this" but rather "Happening like this doesn't contradict the evidence"

And Pie, alot of science agrees with christianity, just not fundimental christianity. Hell as I've said, genesis is a step by step guide to teraforming a planet, change the timescale and you've pretty much got what science says, but via evolution and natural forces not God.

A hypothesis has to be undisproved by all exsisting evidence before it even begins to become theory.

[KVZ]

@Antichrist: That are very good quotes of Isaac Asimov. Especially first one.

@Pie: Stop yelling that humbugs! I do not intend even to read those

[Pie]

A hypotheses IS a thery. Just look up on the big bang thery. It dosent make since(aparently... I didn't really get anything they said in that site i visetid....)
ALSO, i must agree. But some things can be taken as proof. Anything that you can use your senses with, and you know that it isn't a trick, is true. Such as those two guys who discoverd about the germs in the stomac, they could probably see or smell the germs that were in that stomac(although i wouldn't know why they would smell that...) thus making it a fact that germs CAN live in the stomak.

And also... what does that have to do with what i said?

And keves: YOU HAD BETTER READ THOSE!!! I READ YOUR OUTRAGOUS POSTS!!! AND I READ EVERYONE ELSES POSTS ABOUT CRISTIANITY BEING A BRAINWASHING FACTORY!!!