Postby Schme » Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:28 pm
I’ve read through all this here now, but I don’t want to pick apart everything piece by piece to respond, so I won’t. I’ll just go at everything at once.
I’ve went at this before here, I think, but I’ll do it again.
People always at the U.N. “For not doing anything.” People forget the whole point of the U.N is to make sure that nothing ever happens. That’s what supposed to be doing.
The reason they didn’t stop America from doing what they did in Iraq is firstly, because they can’t. The U.N., like I said, does nothing. That’s not what they do. What would they do? Have all the countries in the U.N. send soldiers to defend Iraq?
The U.N. is a great organization. Without them, those small wars would go on legally like they did in the past. Indonesia bowls over a few countries? Who’s to stop them if the U.N. is not there? Vietnam? Like hell.
By going past the U.N. to illegally invade Iraq has effectively destroyed the United Nations. If the most powerful nation in the world is not “In”, nobody’s going to be.
Nuking Japan. Good idea.
If America had not hit Japan with those nukes, they would have lost hundreds of thousands more troops, and the Japanese Empire would have done a lot more shit too the people of this world. Believe me, without those nukes, Japan would probably had won. The Japanese have never been a meek people.
Hell, if the Emperor had not told the Japanese to stop killing Americans, the States never could have occupied Japan.
The Iraq occupation is not at all going well, for anyone.
First, on comparing United States soldiers dead (not to mention casualties), well, sure, you can compare it to other conflicts, but they are not the same as this conflict. For one thing, this is not a war like in WWII or Vietnam. This is an occupation. Want to see a successful occupation, look a Afghanistan (if we’re comparing it in numbers of dead Americans, that is.)
Over two thousand dead (almost certainly at about a few hundred more than the official figures) is several American deaths daily.
This is not mentioning how well things are going for people in Iraq. For every dead American soldier, I’d guess there’s about four dead Iraqis. Under Saddam, there was oppression, and yes, some were killed for political reasons, many in fact, but there was order. People were not killed in the streets daily, bombs did not go off in the cities, your children could go to school and play outside safely.
There were not many violent Islamists, and those that were around were kept under control.
The occupiers are even more oppressive than Saddam Hussein was, but with less order. The armies that control the cities are now just better armed and less disciplined, in addition to being extremely demoralized. When the Ba’ath Party ran things, there was not martial law, either.
Women could walk the streets without fear, women could be in government, a women could go meet a friend at a café. Not anymore, no chance in hell.
And aren’t the people of Iraq living luxuriously these days? With all the splendors of western culture, yes indeed! Western culture a hundred years ago, that is.
Half the time, no electricity, no water, and when it works it’s no good.
Want a fun way to kill an afternoon? I have a fun idea! Let’s go wait in line for ten hours for a couple litres of gasoline!
And see all the freedom and democracy they have? A president appointed by America, with no power. Municipal elections torn to shreds by military bureaucrats.
Oh, and by the way, a few billion American dollars have disappeared. Billions. No one knows where they’ve gone.
And what did you say about most fighters coming from other countries? That’s not true. Sure, there’s some, yes. But most of them are Iraqi. Anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves. Where else would they come from, eh? Iran? Not likely. An Iranian would stick out like a sore thumb in Iraq, and if he tried to kill anyone, (or, at least, anyone American) he wouldn’t get so far.
Same goes for anyone from Afghanistan, Turkey, Sudan, and pretty well everywhere else.
Do you really think there’s that many Jordanians coming over? I don’t think so. We’re talking A LOT of people.
And do you think that many people care enough? Besides Iraqi’s, who are actually fighting people in there own homeland, I don’t think that many people are gonna put in the effort. No, the people killing Americans, they’re Iraqi’s.
But can you really blame them?
How do you think the founding fathers and their followers would have reacted if the Spanish had all of a sudden decided to attack the Colonies because of a falling out with the British? Perhaps they didn’t like the Royal Family, but they’d still have defended their homeland and their people.
What if the Chinese decided to come in and depose George Bush? OK, he’s gone, great, but what if they decide to stick around and help you “Rebuild your economy” and occupied your cities with their soldiers, made you obey laws created by a Chinese man in the Whitehouse taking orders from across the pacific ocean. “Christianity is all well and good, my American friends, but we can’t allow it to have anything to do with the government. We’re helping you adopt good old western ideals.”
No doubt you’d break out the automatic weapons pretty soon, wouldn’t you? Of course you would, and rightfully so.
C’mon. The occupation isn’t going well at all.
And stop with all the shit about outsiders running the fighters in Iraq. That crap. You sound like a goddamn conspiracy theorist.
If China occupied America, who do you think would run the resistance? Mexicans? Canadians? India? Think, man. Believe me, Iraq holds it’s own. It wouldn’t work any other way.
I don't have time go over everything, like I said, but really, you should think stuff over. Put yourselves in other's shoes.
"One death is a tragedy, a million is just statistics."
Joseph Stalin
