women and seduction

[JJ]

butt floss?? maybe youve had exp. with it?

oh come on you know im a dead sexy hoochie mama in this powerful g string. =P

[Lone Wolf]

Okay it's time to be honest. I have a great girlfriend. She is very kind, caring and sweet. I am very lucky.....plus she can put up with my crap....She has a great sence of humor. I mean she knows what I typed earlier and didn't get mad she just laughed How ever, the only women who are suductive are selfish women who only care about material things and their status. The same thing goes of men who try to saduce.

[JJ]

yeah dude id have to agree on you with the gf part. lol atleast my girl friend didnt beat me for this topic lol!!! but yeah just remeber if ya try to seduce in cantr ya bound to get killed, if ya saduce in real life ya bound to get hurt one way or the other. moral of the story is rice is good!! *eats lots of rice*

[David]

I played the seduction game on a woman to further my education. It wasn't like "help him cheat on test" etc... It was just (I''m in her mind now) "he (as in me) isn't leading on that he isn't interested in me, possibly that we will get together, so the hope is there, in the meantime I will spend more time with him studying, whereas if I knew there was no chance I may not spend as much time studying... etc...)

This was very light though, it wasn't as if I was whoring myself out or anything, just glances and gestures... no one was hurt because nothing was ever laid out on the table either way, it wasn't for a huge period of time either...)

I think why some men find women "mysterious and unable to understand" is because the only thing they only think of women as sex objects when they are around them so all the blood leaves their brains, so they can't comprehend women because while they are with them they can't remember anything but if whether there were advances or no advances) Whereas if a man can have a little self-control and rationalism when dealing with women, they are just people, with slightly different impulses on the whole. You have to understand the basic impulse difference to make a little more sense of things. Now this is _mostly_ cultural, but a little biological I think. It all comes down to how the two genders deal with insecurity. Men are taught to conquer, women are taught to empathize or find more subtle ways of dealing with insecurity. (this is first impulse, not neccesarily what happens in the end)

And I genuinely believe tha men, in Western Culture anyways, tend to become insecure much faster and more often then women do over certain things, and women with other things. A man is taught to have a more knee-jerk reaction to something and is supposedly being decisive... a woman is taught differently by the culture in genrally.

In reality, men and women are _mostly_ the same, most difference come out of deeply ingrained cultural norms, usually to the economic disadvantage of women. which is why I am a believer in liberl feminism. This is NOT the Feminism of all men are evil feminazi radical crap. It simply means that men and women ought to make the same money and have the same opportunity, if they do the same work. In the west, and especially in America, this is not the case. For a given job, with similar experiene a woman will normally make like 20 or 40% less than a man. etc... (can't remember exact statistics). One of the only regions that has even come close to parity is Scandinavia. It goes beyond pay, it goes into ingrained cultural norms, perpetuated by pop-culture.

Having said all that, a false dichotomy is created in this thread, because it has been shown that immorality is plentiful in both sexes in various ways? So why even make the distinction when discussing unethical behavior. I think what happens in many cases is that the culture teaches man to hold woman on a higher moral pedesatel then other men. When men compete with eachother in devious ways its just "part of the game" when a man sees a woman challenging him, it is recognized as some exception to the rules and somehow "more wrong".

As a matter of fact, when men are unjust to eachother in social situations half the time it is encouraged, but if a woman is unjust she is somehow a "hyperbitch"... there are sooo many things that reinforce this mindset its mind boggling... and very hard to break out of.

I feel like a damn abolitionist in the middle of 1830's when I talk to people about things like this...

[rklenseth]

I played the seduction game on a woman to further my education. It wasn't like "help him cheat on test" etc... It was just (I''m in her mind now) "he (as in me) isn't leading on that he isn't interested in me, possibly that we will get together, so the hope is there, in the meantime I will spend more time with him studying, whereas if I knew there was no chance I may not spend as much time studying... etc...)

This was very light though, it wasn't as if I was whoring myself out or anything, just glances and gestures... no one was hurt because nothing was ever laid out on the table either way, it wasn't for a huge period of time either...)

I think why some men find women "mysterious and unable to understand" is because the only thing they only think of women as sex objects when they are around them so all the blood leaves their brains, so they can't comprehend women because while they are with them they can't remember anything but if whether there were advances or no advances) Whereas if a man can have a little self-control and rationalism when dealing with women, they are just people, with slightly different impulses on the whole. You have to understand the basic impulse difference to make a little more sense of things. Now this is _mostly_ cultural, but a little biological I think. It all comes down to how the two genders deal with insecurity. Men are taught to conquer, women are taught to empathize or find more subtle ways of dealing with insecurity. (this is first impulse, not neccesarily what happens in the end)

And I genuinely believe tha men, in Western Culture anyways, tend to become insecure much faster and more often then women do over certain things, and women with other things. A man is taught to have a more knee-jerk reaction to something and is supposedly being decisive... a woman is taught differently by the culture in genrally.

In reality, men and women are _mostly_ the same, most difference come out of deeply ingrained cultural norms, usually to the economic disadvantage of women. which is why I am a believer in liberl feminism. This is NOT the Feminism of all men are evil feminazi radical crap. It simply means that men and women ought to make the same money and have the same opportunity, if they do the same work. In the west, and especially in America, this is not the case. For a given job, with similar experiene a woman will normally make like 20 or 40% less than a man. etc... (can't remember exact statistics). One of the only regions that has even come close to parity is Scandinavia. It goes beyond pay, it goes into ingrained cultural norms, perpetuated by pop-culture.

Having said all that, a false dichotomy is created in this thread, because it has been shown that immorality is plentiful in both sexes in various ways? So why even make the distinction when discussing unethical behavior. I think what happens in many cases is that the culture teaches man to hold woman on a higher moral pedesatel then other men. When men compete with eachother in devious ways its just "part of the game" when a man sees a woman challenging him, it is recognized as some exception to the rules and somehow "more wrong".

As a matter of fact, when men are unjust to eachother in social situations half the time it is encouraged, but if a woman is unjust she is somehow a "hyperbitch"... there are sooo many things that reinforce this mindset its mind boggling... and very hard to break out of.

I feel like a damn abolitionist in the middle of 1830's when I talk to people about things like this...

I agree with you on most of your points, David, except I still see women as a mystery and I don't think of them as sex objects.

OOOH, my Communication class had an awesome conversation about men and women attraction (we were discussing Intrapersonal Communications and went way off topic). It seems that people are attracted to each other by smell. Every person in the world gives off a distinct natural odor like we all have different fingertips. It is this odor that attracts a mate. It is claimed that once an odor of another human creates an attraction to them your mind becomes obsessive about that particular person. Hell, I'm not not sure how valid this is but it sort of makes sense in a way. But I don't think attraction is the same as love.

Now I wonder what kind of odor I have....

[David]

You mean pheremones?

[Indio]

Okay it's time to be honest. I have a great girlfriend. She is very kind, caring and sweet. I am very lucky.....plus she can put up with my crap....She has a great sence of humor. I mean she knows what I typed earlier and didn't get mad she just laughed How ever, the only women who are suductive are selfish women who only care about material things and their status. The same thing goes of men who try to saduce.

No no no no, they dont want material things, they want sex. And I aint complainin'.