Michael Moore

[Pirog]

He hasn't tried to hide why he releases it to a huge audience shortly before the election...he wants Bushed kicked out of the White House.

It would be pointless to release it after the election, when the damages can't be repaired...

[ephiroll]

Obviously you nor Moore know much about Kerry then, the man who will be in the whitehouse if Bush isn't, if you did you would know that Kerry isn't any better and right now as it stands it probly doesn't really matter which one is in the whitehouse when its over, that's why they're running almost neck and neck right now in the polls. And if Moore admits the purpose of his movie is to get Bush kicked out of office, as if it would work anyway, then Moore is on par with a child throwing a fit to get what it wants, but that isn't why, it's to make money pure and simple, if it was to get Bush kicked out then it would have made alot more sense to air it on TV so that everyone could have seen it and not just the ones paying $10 plus a head to see it.

[Missy]

I think thats a fairly stretched assumption. While he deffinately could have aired it in moves for money...You don't get attention for a documentary simply because it's aired on TV. Seeing ad's flashed across your tv screen no matter which channel it is on grabs nearly the whole entire population. It also reaches those who don't have the capability to watch cable tv.

I don't believe airing it on television would have been beneficial. Chances are if you are a Bush supporter, Michael Moore will never convince you of his beliefs with his movie. (This is obvious.) And if you are a Bush supporter and have a choice to change your channel rather than watch Michael Moore you will.

If you pay ten dollars to see him in the theater (right or left) you've just helped the left, and chances are you wont get up and out of your seat simply because you are disgusted with the film you chose that evening.

He doesn't deny wanting to get peoples attention==create controversy, but quite a bit of his money goes to groups supporting the left of politics.

[ephiroll]

Well, with the headlines the movie has gotten the last few months he'd have gotten probly more attention airing it on cable TV, more people would have seen it, more of them out of curiosity then what will go to the theator out of curiosity, after all, without the controversy no one would probly even be taking note of the movie right now. But the main thing I'm thinking of is that he's just stiring the pot and causing prossible trouble that everyone would be better off without, after all, the US is a two party system, there really isn't that much difference between the choices we have for president this year just like there never is that much real difference.

Perssonally I don't support Bush or Kerry I think they both are a couple of weasels, but I prefer a known risk in preferance to an unknown one, I think if Bush is reelected he'll show that he's learned a little from his mistakes the first time around, Kerry will just get into office and make all new possibly worse mistakes. But if I had my way neither would make it to the whitehouse, I'd vote for Micky Mouse this year if I knew that by doing so Bush and Kerry both wouldn't get into office.

[Camino]

When dissatisfied with government and the choices made available go make new ones, it will take time and no doubt you won't see much result for a goodly time but at least you won't of been sitting around complaining how bad things are and not of done anything to alter that fact.

Moore is a film maker, he does things the way most propagandists do and yet it the movement he sides himself with needs him to go in that direction.

Personal research and a continual evaluation of as many sides as possible is the best method of avoiding being swamped by mindless drivel, half truths and highly edited facts. Who knows you might end up making a name for yourself and end up in a similar position.

[nitefyre]

Well, with the headlines the movie has gotten the last few months he'd have gotten probly more attention airing it on cable TV, more people would have seen it, more of them out of curiosity then what will go to the theator out of curiosity, after all, without the controversy no one would probly even be taking note of the movie right now. But the main thing I'm thinking of is that he's just stiring the pot and causing prossible trouble that everyone would be better off without, after all, the US is a two party system, there really isn't that much difference between the choices we have for president this year just like there never is that much real difference.

Perssonally I don't support Bush or Kerry I think they both are a couple of weasels, but I prefer a known risk in preferance to an unknown one, I think if Bush is reelected he'll show that he's learned a little from his mistakes the first time around, Kerry will just get into office and make all new possibly worse mistakes. But if I had my way neither would make it to the whitehouse, I'd vote for Micky Mouse this year if I knew that by doing so Bush and Kerry both wouldn't get into office.

Well, you could always vote Nadr...if he's still in the race.

I haven't really had any US news over here, even if it is on BBC and CNN Intl.

[kroner]

someone needs to assinate that guy. really. he's a republican secret agent or just very stupid. i haven't decided.

[west]

I think that Michael Moore should eat Ann Coulter.

She's so venomous that she'll surely poison him.

That way they'll both be dead, and everybody wins!

*stabs manipulative ad hominim propagandists on all sides*

[Pirog]

I don't understand how so many people can dislike Moore so much.

A documentary is almost never objective, and all he does is to offer a version of the truth that most people (at least not the general American) doesn't seem to dwell much on otherwise.

Even how much you discard his own views as propaganda or idiocy you can't hide from the fact that his documentaries have shown a lot of uncomfortable truths to people and that these things can be opened up for debate...

As I have said before, I would personally like to see more of a dry, "academic" approach to his documentaries (and less entertainment), but then probably only people who reads a lot and sees documentaries regularly would view his movies...and those people generally allready know about how things are.

[kroner]

i was talking about nader.

moore, i have no problem with. sure he's manipulative. it's no secret he has an agenda. he'll tell you himself.

it's not his responsibility to make sure you get a balanced report. it's up to you to collect facts from various sources and come to your own conclusions.

frankly, i've had it with bush to the point where i support bombarding the people who would vote for him with one-sided propaganda. if that's what it take to get him out, then go for it.

[Queen Ehlana]

I'd vote Kerry if I were old enough. Bush is a stupid red-neck. I feel sorry for the Dixie Chicks, but if I were them I wouldn't be saying that I'm ashamed that Bush is from Texas... I'm ashamed that I am from Texas because Bush is just a typical Texan. Someone who tries to amend the constitution in the name of prejudice is absolutely ridiculous to me... I almost want to say: "Is this a joke?!" Bush seems to be a joke alright. I don't even care about all the little imperfections of Kerry, not in the face of Bush. What about Kerry is possibly worse than trying to change the constitution in the name of religious prejudice? IMO, religion and fear go hand in hand.

As for everyone I've seen saying they'd vote third party, they might as well not vote because I've never heard one person give an actual reason for voting third party except in defiance of the leading parties.

[Pirog]

kroner>

Yeah, I know.
I would never suspect Michel Moore of being a republican secret agent

I wonder sometimes how you Americans view Bush.
He get's ridiculed daily on Letterman, Leno etc. for being a complete retard, and pretty much the rest of the world shares that view.
Aren't you kind of embarassed of having such an idiot in command?

I have never even heard of a leader being ridiculed to that extent even by his own people...
And even if you shouldn't judge a people by their leader many outside America must wonder how the hell you could vote a guy like that into office...he seems so incredibly incompetent.

On the other hand, it shows that America is a very open society when you can ridicule the leader on TV without risking a bullet in the head, and that is always good.

[Mavsfan911]

IF Bush wins... well....that shows where America is headed. Downward.

This doesn't make much difference, but in several different news articles in several different newspapers and such, Bush spoke to some Amish people, and he quotes that "God speaks through me"
How much more stupid can he get?
I've been thinking seriously about leaving the country if Bush wins again, just to hide the embarrassment...

[JJ]

despite the poor economic problems we got right now, bad prez, and crapy laws...we always have one thing to look forward to...good tech and good internet service! and may i add good music! XD

[AoM]

Ann Coulter was invited to speak at my college, an event which I attended. I didn't know who she was before, but frankly, after hearing her speak, anyone who leans toward the right should tell her to get the hell off their side.

One of the most apt analogies I've heard about that woman was this:

"Going to Ann Coulter for a fact is like going to Hitler for a Kosher recipe."


Now, I've heard that Michael Moore can be manipulative... but he's certainly not as bad as batboy and other tabloid crud, nor Ann Coulter... no one is as bad as that maniac... Moore raises good points about real issues, whether you disagree or agree with him.

I went to see Farenheit 911 (for a buck! it was college night! ) and it was not very chalk full of misleading crap. It made a few lame potshots at Bush ("Fool me once shame on...shame on you...a fool may not be fooled again!") but most of it was focused on the horror of Iraq and those who have had to since deal with the horrible violence.

A powerful part of the documentary is coverage of a woman from Moore's home town in Flint, Michigan who has lost her son in Iraq. Her original viewpoint was one of stout right-wing, faith-based thinking. But after her son's death, she begins to wonder about the point of the war and she comes to regret the views she once had. It's a powerful story and I do recommend giving the movie a shot.

I will be voting for Kerry this election because he can do one thing the Bush can never do: try to rebuild the bridges with our former allies that Bush burned on his way into Iraq.

Also I support stem cell research, am avidly for gay-rights, and am sick of the Bush administration trying to erase the separation of church and state. I am more afraid of Christian fundamentalism ruling this country than the Islamic fundamentalism trying to suicide bomb us.

I also want my president to read the news...

~AoM