Michael Moore

[David]

Yeah..the whole war on drugs thing here is a disaster...raising violent crime all over the place.

But it's such a good excuse for imperial adventures in South America and locking up minorities and other "undesirables"...



What will the imperialist think tanks have to justify the policies they come up with, without the drug war. I think Regean's wife had the best solution in the Just Say No program better than the "blame others first" equation... as is so easy to do for politicians of all countires...

[Camino]

I don't really intend to get involved, in fact I was totally against involving myself in another political topic. However I think there is a crucial point to be made for everyone here. We post because we have an oppinion and there are others who don't but would if they felt sure of their convictions or wern't so scornful of others opinions.

We're all obviously very aware of some if not all of the major topics facing us all, never forget that for every point of view there will be the bad guy, weather it's a communist,drug dealer, terrorist or something else for us to be afraid of there will always be the creepy figure in the shadow. The most important thing is to never be afraid to ask questions, once people stop doing that then you know there is problems. When people stop listening to what is being said and stop looking at the actions being taken then they may as well surrender their will power because they obviously have no use for it.

[David]

I think in some cases the more important thing to address is not that their is always some "Iago" waiting in the wings to destroy Othello, but the fact that good people do bad things.

There are plenty of good people that do bad things, the question is addressing that. It's easy label everyone that does something that is considered "bad" as evil and be done with - a cop out actually. We are raised from a young age to think in terms of black and white, but the world doesn't work that way. And certainly not international geopolitics- I don't think there is any player in that game that has clean hands if we take the comic book definition of good and evil.

LOL, a Communist may be too idealistic or misguided, but I would hardely label them inherently evil. We would have to trash the U.S. Military and much of our economic policy, if we were to cleanse it of the evil communism philosophy. heh. Every industrialized economy on the face of the earth is some mix of socialism and capitalism. Pure Socialism implodes, and pure Capitalism explodes. LOL

EDIT: It's true that Socialist countries are becomg more Capitalist since the end of the Cold War, but it is also true the Capitalist countries are becoming more Socialist, rightly or wrongly.

[David]

On a Cantr related note, it was hilarious when this newb char was advocating slavery, but then went OOC to say that "IRL I am Communist" lol, he was just saying it IC...

[west]

if he doesn't shape up he'll be an OOC communist with an IC sabre hole

[David]

LOL, you saw that guy too? What a flake. He said the exact same thing in at least two different locations possibly more.

[west]

Batboy lives! And Michael Moore is pretty manipulative, too

[David]

You would have given the ideas detailed on that site more credibility had you just stated them yourself...

Make valid criticisms of a person, but posting some tabloid rag as proof makes something look a little less credible... no matter who it is attacking (except maybe hitler or something)

I think I've found the culprit to the increase in partisanship of all political persuasions over the past decade... sites like that...

At least use a study by the American Enterpise Institute or other similar conservative institution, conservative, but unlike that site, the AEI has validity and varacity...

Backing up your claims with a site like that is like using a grocery store tabloid on batboy as reference for research on nocturnal animals...

Is this how political discourse in the industrialized world has degenerated and dumbed down so quickly over such a short time?

Oh... and no need to show me smear web sites of similar idiocy that happen to choose <insert your favorite public figure here> as their target as a defense of that web site... believe me, those backwater group think sites have many many targets of all political persuasions...

...and I'm not even saying I like Michael Moore... but Al Franken joins the Goebel club? I mean satire is one thing and so is sarcasm, but that site is presenting complete bias and unfettered well... simplistic dumbness... as fact....

...sheesh and I though Bumper sticker politics was bad... perhaps with more room and a more versitle media it will make me wish Bumper stickers were the only place for drivel like that....

Unlike Indio, I did mean what I said, but not as a personal attack or sarcasm...

[west]

Frankly, I take that site with as much of a grain of salt as I take Michael Moore. But some of the points he raises are valid, even if he doesn't have a firm grasp on the English language.

Check out, for example, the interviews with people in Bowling For Columbine that disagreed with the way they were presented, and the series of paragraphs on the scenes that were deliberately misleading or misleadingly edited.

I don't think everything on that site is true, but Moore is pretty blatantly manipulative...I think turnabout's fair play in that regard. That site's no worse than Moore can be at times.

[Indio no.9]

Unlike Indio, I did mean what I said, but not as a personal attack or sarcasm...

a mention

[Missy]

Who will go and see Fahrenheit 9/11? If you've seen it, what do you think of it?

[ephiroll]

There's no way I'd pay to see that movie, I've already heard enough about it to know it would be a waste of time and money, mostly because alot of the things in it are blown wildly out of porportion, it's closer to a work of fiction then anything else.

[Dust14]

There's no way I'd pay to see that movie, I've already heard enough about it to know it would be a waste of time and money, mostly because alot of the things in it are blown wildly out of porportion, it's closer to a work of fiction then anything else.

You're completely wrong, if u have seen bowling for columbine u know that More shows only things that really happened not some things he invented to make his 'movie' better.

I strongly advise all of the Americans here to go and see that 'movie' and i hope that some people will think twice before they vote for Bush again.

[Pirog]

ephiroll>

Afraid of finding out uncomfortable truths?

Why not see it and make up your own mind about how true it is instead of closing your eyes and listening to the very people that Moore critisizes?

I also think that Moore sometimes uses unfair methods to prove his point, since he wants to be clever and funny as much as he wants to uncover "awful truths"...but if you see his movies you will see that he got a lot of points to prove.

For all the gun crazy people on this board I recommend Bowling for Columbine...

[ephiroll]

Exactly, he's trying to be clever and funny and therefor going "over the top", a documentry and a movie are two entirly different things, he's tried to do both, plus the whole thing is just someone's attempt to make a cripload of money by using a subject that he knows will create alot of controversy, controversy=money, simple as that, it's the same reason "The Passion of the Christ" turned into the biggest money maker ever.

Why did Moore release it during a election year? If he was trying to make a point by making a documentry then why was it released to theators? Why didn't he have it aired on national TV like every other documentry you'll see? Because that wouldn't have put as much money in his pocket that's why. I'll see it one day, I just said I wasn't wasting money on it and putting more money in the pockets of a fat cat that is only using a bad situation to put money in his pockets.