Just want to try out an argument I've thought up...

[DELGRAD]

1.To begin with, we must make the assumption that God exists, and that for Jesus to be the son of God he must be like God in all ways, otherwise he couldn't be a true son of God


Are you like your father in all ways? I highly doubt it, but does that mean you are not truly his son? That whole statement is false.

Jesus is god.
Do you not get it?
Even before what Elros said, I knew that much.

Elros, you are better to say what I want to. So Please...

[Zanthos]

if your talking about the mary of mary and joseph, i've yet to hear that theory once.

if your talking about jesus's mary, then i've heard a pretty even split between thouse who believe she was a whore, and those who believe jesus married her and her name was smeared by Peter and the popes in the future.

Both are valid in my mind, as it doesnt matter. I am catholic, and i understand that much of religion is politics as theocratics.

[Cdls]

Jesus is god.
Do you not get it?

And what do you have to back that theory up?

[DELGRAD]

Jesus is god.
Do you not get it?

And what do you have to back that theory up?

I do not need to back it up.

Word of god has always been. Word of god is god. God made word/god flesh, "jesus".

Read the bible!


Comeon! I am a friggin atheist.

Like I said. Read the bible.
Sorry to say this, but idiots can read.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Can I simplify it any further?

[Cdls]

Idiots may be able to read, but ignorant little shits like you may not understand that people have different beliefs. OMG!!!! the bible says that jesus is god!!! HOLY SHIT, it must be true!!!


I dont need to read the bible, I dont need to agree with what it says, and I sure as hell dont need to agree with you, especially since you have nothing to back up your statement other than "the bible says so"

[DELGRAD]

Idiots may be able to read, but ignorant little shits like you may not understand that people have different beliefs. OMG!!!! the bible says that jesus is god!!! HOLY SHIT, it must be true!!!


I dont need to read the bible, I dont need to agree with what it says, and I sure as hell dont need to agree with you, especially since you have nothing to back up your statement other than "the bible says so"

Look back at my edit.

God/deity to me is as my penis is 12 and a half feet long.
Utter nonsense.

And just so you know.
I burn bibles.

[Zanthos]

the point of the thread was to debate the validity of the origional post's logical decuction, all things considered. not to get in a flame war over personal beliefs. saying god doesnt exist neither supports or goes against what is put forth, it is merely ignored.

As the source of all the information as to proving whether jesus was the son of god was the bible, ignoring its existance discredits your entire opinion.

(not to say you don't have a right to it, its just not relivant to this topic)

[DELGRAD]

the point of the thread was to debate the validity of the origional post's logical decuction, all things considered. not to get in a flame war over personal beliefs. saying god doesnt exist neither supports or goes against what is put forth, it is merely ignored.

As the source of all the information as to proving whether jesus was the son of god was the bible, ignoring its existance discredits your entire opinion.

(not to say you don't have a right to it, its just not relivant to this topic)

I have not a belief.


I used to do the meal prayers "the father, the son, the holy spirit, Amen"

I was born and raised christian and even baptised as such.

Too bad my great granny is dead. She would eat you all alive.

So I can validate my words.

God can do/is everything.
No conception is needed.
God says, so it is.
God is everything.

Look at the above line. Do I really need to say more?

[Cdls]

the point of the thread was to debate the validity of the origional post's logical decuction, all things considered. not to get in a flame war over personal beliefs. saying god doesnt exist neither supports or goes against what is put forth, it is merely ignored.

As the source of all the information as to proving whether jesus was the son of god was the bible, ignoring its existance discredits your entire opinion.

(not to say you don't have a right to it, its just not relivant to this topic)

For one, whether or not you believe what is written in the bible has nothing to do with debating the original topic, believing otherwise only shows narrow mindedness.


Anyways, back to topic:

God is everything

That statement discredits the original concept that god is pure and free of sin.

[formerly known as hf]

Delgrad. If you do not believe in the Bible, then why quote the bible? Surely, people can believe / not believe interpret / interpret differently the bible?
Pick n Mix religion?

Anyhow, you fail.

This topic is made of Big McFAIL

[the_antisocial_hermit]

Do not start a flame war in this thread. Either debate the subject, or refrain from flaming people for their beliefs. If you've forgotten, the subject is whether Jesus is the son of God or not according to a logic derived from the teachings of the Bible. It is not a thread about whether God or Jesus exists. It is not a thread about different religions. There is another thread for that. Let the people that do believe or do have reasons/beliefs/thoughts on the subject derived from anything but their anuses debate it. Now get back on track.

[Zanthos]

*claps*

apparently my post saying pretty much the same thing didn't get across, which is why I had decided to stop posting here alltogeather.

As for saying im closed minded? Try accepting the beliefs of others? you may find that you are indeed far more narrowminded than myself, a devout catholic who believes in the teachings of the bible.

[Elros]

Do not start a flame war in this thread. Either debate the subject, or refrain from flaming people for their beliefs. If you've forgotten, the subject is whether Jesus is the son of God or not according to a logic derived from the teachings of the Bible. It is not a thread about whether God or Jesus exists. It is not a thread about different religions. There is another thread for that. Let the people that do believe or do have reasons/beliefs/thoughts on the subject derived from anything but their anuses debate it. Now get back on track.

Thank you.

[Sunni Daez]

Ahh how many of you believed in Santa? The Easter Bunny? Sure.. you grow up and stop believing... but what comfort did you have believing in those things?

If I choose to believe in God, and that Jesus is the son of God.. Then I have every right to... Can you prove to me He isn't? Why should I have to prove He is? My beliefs comfort me and no one has a right to judge me for it..... I don't judge you for wearing shoes I would never wear...


Belief and religion are 2 seperate things... I can believe in God, and the Son of God.. without believing in Catholic, Methodist or Jewish faith...

I think the begining argument here was a bit twisted in the way they were put together... using partial facts, or only parts of a written word... you can make it say anything you want....

[Zanthos]

I think the begining argument here was a bit twisted in the way they were put together... using partial facts, or only parts of a written word... you can make it say anything you want....

But isn't that the art of argument? if you are able to make a convincing argument for your case using words that contradict your point of view, you have a good shot at convincing some people.

I highly recomend watching thank you for smoking, not only is it hilarious, it provides good social commentary as to the nature of lobbiests and argument as a whole.