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cantr wrote:02:05:22: <hEnkiE> hey snicky
02:05:39: <Snickie> hello Henkie
02:05:40: <hEnkiE> did I explain well enough on forum? about the tectonic's?
02:05:44: <Snickie> meh
02:05:57: <Snickie> I suppose
02:06:13: <Snickie> But now I have to sue the textbook companies for drawing the maps like the pieces fit snugly together.
02:08:23: <hEnkiE> lol, looking from up top, they do.. No depth in 2d maps xd
02:14:13: <hEnkiE> hmmm, snicky, ar eyou like.. A strict christian?
02:16:49: <Snickie> #religion
religion wrote:02:17:13: <hEnkiE> ol
02:17:23: <hEnkiE> it was just a question
02:17:25: <Snickie> This channel's supposed to be for discussing religion
02:17:31: <Snickie> where nobody else has to hear it if they don't want to
02:17:38: <hEnkiE> okidoki
02:17:38: <Snickie> Yes I'm a Christian
02:17:46: <hEnkiE> a strict one?
02:17:59: <Snickie> What do you mean by "a strict one"?
02:18:51: <hEnkiE> For instance, only skirts, no 'normal' trousers, church every sundey.. etc.
02:20:36: <Snickie> um
02:21:00: <Snickie> I go to church every Sunday, and if I don't, then I'll watch the sermon sometime during the week online
02:21:24: <Snickie> I wear bluejeans on a daily basis. I still don't know why I chose to wear a dress today.
02:22:14: <hEnkiE> So.. (If I go too far just tell me to get lost orsomething) What makes you feel like you should abide those rules?
02:23:13: <Snickie> Didn't I just say that I don't wear skirts only, that I usually wear jeans?
02:23:14: <Snickie> lol
02:23:43: <hEnkiE> Yeahbut you also said you go to church normally.. or ele subtitude it with something..
02:23:51: <Snickie> It's not a rule
02:23:57: <Snickie> I go because I want to
02:24:14: <Snickie> and to become closer to my GOd
02:24:42: <hEnkiE> hmm, so what is it that makes you feel like going to church gets you closer to him?
02:25:18: <alladinsane> Am I late?
02:25:26: <Snickie> Hearing about Him, learning how to apply his Word to my life, etc etc
02:25:38: <Snickie> Fellowship with other Christians
02:25:44: <Snickie> accountability
02:26:25: <hEnkiE> Nope Aladin
02:26:42: <hEnkiE> hmm, so coming together to shar eyour religion strenghtens the resolve/.
02:27:11: <alladinsane> strengthens the bond with like minded people.
02:28:16: <hEnkiE> so the shared goal strengthens the determination to live by 'His word'?
02:31:15: <alladinsane> No, it has nothing to do with that exactly. Its just hard to find others who actually live by it, you can find those who say they do, but they aren't usually there. We live for the relationship, his word is just the guidelines.
02:31:54: <alladinsane> I don't know what the 'shared goal' is....to go to heaven? No, its not just that. Too simplistic.
02:33:20: <hEnkiE> well, I always find myself wondering what a Church is, other then just a building people can come together to think the same thing and find determination in the words of others...
02:34:16: <hEnkiE> I believe it is a group of followers of Christ who quoted Jesus: 'Church is but a pile of bricks, therefor hath nothing to do with the true faith' pr something close to it..
02:37:23: <Snickie> What's the context of that passage?
02:39:10: <alladinsane> No, thats right. Any place is a church, anywhere that 2 or more of his followers are gathered in his name.
02:41:19: <hEnkiE> Hmm, that sounds more reasonable than most followers in Holland.. They are usually unabel to give any standing argument.
02:41:36: <hEnkiE> Do you believe that God's Kingdom will come aswel?
02:42:42: <Snickie> yes
02:47:33: <hEnkiE> What makes you so sure about that?
02:48:27: <Snickie> the various prophecies scattered throughout the Bible. You've read of them. Revelation.
02:48:48: <Snickie> If absolutely nothing else, it's better than the thought of dying and then nothing happens.
02:49:51: <alladinsane> There are so many corroborating things between the old and the new testaments, that most computers (when they first came out, a 286 took us to the moon, allegedly) couldn't keep it straight.
02:50:37: <hEnkiE> Prophecies can be interpretated as saying about the future, predictions.. Or just delusional people wrinting stories, can;t they?
02:50:47: <alladinsane> Yet they have tried for 2000 years and nobody can really find a indisputable flaw in those prophecies.
02:51:19: <hEnkiE> And why would the poinlessness get you down ^^ that;s individual, though I do understand your point, I doin;t need a God to make my life meaningful or any such thing
02:51:22: <alladinsane> They could, if they were not so concise yes. This isn't like your horoscope. There were very precise examples
02:51:44: <alladinsane> You will.
02:52:09: <hEnkiE> Wait long enough and everything can come true...
02:52:31: <hEnkiE> I just find the entire idea of God.. Quite honestly, I can conclude no else than rediculous.
02:53:45: <alladinsane> You probably don't understand it. For what its worth, I believed like you for 35years...
02:54:27: <hEnkiE> I am a mere 18 years old.
02:54:39: <hEnkiE> Not muhc life experience, but gifted with brains.
02:54:55: <alladinsane> It wasn't until I started digging deep. Sure, a coincidence can happen here and there. But time after time after time? You took statistics...even at HS level...you know how daunting those odds are.
02:55:24: <hEnkiE> And I can conlcude no other than the practision of Christianity is awfull, and can do no other than denounce it...
02:55:27: <alladinsane> Maybe thats my problem, I am gifted with brains, we all are, but I don't know how good they are.
02:55:30: <hEnkiE> HS?
02:55:39: <alladinsane> high school.
02:56:13: <hEnkiE> aah'Well why would you ever feel the need to go to a religious togethercoming?
02:56:32: <alladinsane> You are free to denounce it and that makes you in the majority of people nowadays.
02:57:44: <alladinsane> The need is to gather with people of discipline (not all of them, there are always wolves in sheeps clothing) but to hang with people who ask a bit more of themselves, live to higher standards. Sort of like how athletes hang with each other.
02:57:56: <alladinsane> college professors hang with each other.
02:58:32: <alladinsane> The examples of communal gathering are numerous. We look for people of the same level of standards and beliefs.
02:58:34: <hEnkiE> to communicate on the same level? Or to find the same ideas to confirm your suspicions and thereby strenghten your resolve?
03:00:05: <alladinsane> Well, you keep coming to resolve...not sure we are resolved to do anything except be good people. But we do hang with others who have studied the same passages. You don't go to a music store asking if you can buy a rifle.
03:00:36: <alladinsane> Or ask a professor of history about the mathematical tolerances of an extended metal arch.
03:01:12: <alladinsane> Of course we hang with other Christians, thats just human. Stoners hang with stoners, etc. etc.
03:01:22: <hEnkiE> hmhm
03:01:35: <hEnkiE> how do you practision christian beliefs in life?
03:02:07: <Snickie> Of course, that philosophy could allow the idea to rise that since Jesus hung out with sinners, that he too was a sinner.
03:02:09: <Snickie> Which he wasn't
03:02:11: <Snickie> But still
03:02:49: <alladinsane> We pray, mostly silently in this house...thats just talking to God. We remain faithful to our spouses, don't practice drunkeness, steal, etc.
03:02:56: <hEnkiE> why would he not be? Did Jesus not poop? Did he nt make mistakes in his youth?
03:03:08: <alladinsane> Jesus did hang out with sinners.
03:03:19: <Snickie> You don't call a doctor to heal the healthy.
03:03:31: <Snickie> I just realized how fitting this example was.
03:03:34: <alladinsane> No, he made no mistakes and of course he pooped. But its rather irrelevant isn't it?
03:03:41: <hEnkiE> Ohw... But being drunk once in your life is a new experience, you don;t know what you disagree with until you;ve done it, right? Would can be wrong about tring certain things?
03:04:22: <alladinsane> I have been drunk more than once in my life...I just don't do it now. It makes no sense to get drunk.
03:04:57: <hEnkiE> that is different from 'not practising drunkeness'?
03:05:00: <alladinsane> Remember the 35yrs thing. I was not a good guy all the time. (blush)
03:05:23: <hEnkiE> being a good guy is not directly connected with being faithfull....
03:05:26: <Snickie> Then I came along and changed everything.
03:05:32: <alladinsane> Doing so now would mean a loss of self control, to exit rationality.
03:05:47: <alladinsane> No, and I did not say it was.
03:06:24: <alladinsane> Yeah, snickie changed everything, but I was on the road before then. I just didn't have the courage to walk across it.
03:06:56: <hEnkiE> do ou think people should be religious/
03:07:10: <Snickie> To be honest, I dislike religion.
03:07:14: <Snickie> Christianity is not about the religion.
03:07:18: <alladinsane> I think they should live in a country where that is there choice.
03:07:19: <Snickie> It's about the relationship.
03:07:29: <alladinsane> But snickie is right...we are not religious.
03:07:43: <Snickie> Religion is rules.
03:07:48: <hEnkiE> What is the difference?
03:08:10: <Snickie> "If you do this, but never ever do that, then you'll go to Heaven."
03:08:42: <hEnkiE> that especially is something I dislike...
03:08:47: <alladinsane> Religion is organized mores...christ was not religious...He had a relationship with God his father.
03:09:39: <Snickie> This is a point I keep meaning to draw back to on the Religions thread, but people keep snapping it back to religion.
03:09:50: <Snickie> Which I can understand, given it is the "Religions" thread.
03:09:57: <hEnkiE> hmhmm
03:10:38: <alladinsane> Yeah, its probably mislabeled, but thats how some understand it to be so its all good.
03:10:51: <hEnkiE> Don't get me wrongm, please, I don't mind people being religous, I generally argue with people who don't seem to know exactly what it is they believe in and why, or because I think they have been plainly brainwashed, which is something I find a lot in Holland..
03:11:35: <hEnkiE> If people are just religious, or just have a relationship with their God, they are welcome to do so, as long as they don;t bother me with it.
03:11:44: <alladinsane> Oh, I am definitely brainwashed... I sometimes dance like a robot.
03:11:51: <Snickie> .....
03:11:56: <hEnkiE> That;s just going back to the roots lol
03:12:02: <hEnkiE> 70s for the win
03:12:03: <Snickie> Beep boop beep beep bap boop beep.
03:13:30: <alladinsane> All we are supposed to do is introduce people to this great guy who changed our lives for the better, whether they(you) invite him in is free choice. But we are obligated to at least try, not force, just try.
03:13:49: <hEnkiE> Why are ou obligated to try?
03:14:10: <alladinsane> Its what he asks of us. The great commission.
03:14:37: <hEnkiE> Why would he do that?
03:14:46: <alladinsane> When we meet him he is going to ask us... What did you do with the gifts I gave you? Did you at least tell them about me?
03:15:02: <alladinsane> Because he wants you to go to heaven.
03:15:33: <hEnkiE> And I have to believe in od to go to heaven?
03:15:51: <hEnkiE> Why would my life be any any less than anyone elses fior nt believing?
03:15:52: <alladinsane> yep, thats pretty much price of admission.
03:16:10: <hEnkiE> That I just find impossible to swallow...
03:16:13: <alladinsane> Your life is anything you want it to be.
03:16:49: <alladinsane> There are just certain requirements to get in...its his house, he sets the rules.
03:17:40: <alladinsane> But you don't have to swallow it, you don't have to believe it. All we are supposed to do is make sure you have heard about it.
03:18:32: <hEnkiE> I just find that so impossible... What deos he care about me believing? If I lead a good life, just live by the mroal codes I see as righteous, why would he care about me having faith in him or not?
03:18:35: <Snickie> And offer guidance when you seek it.
03:19:12: <Snickie> Remember what I said about the whole opinion thing?
03:19:25: <hEnkiE> not really...
03:19:30: <alladinsane> Its his house. Your morals may not be his.
03:19:36: <hEnkiE> son't think I reacted on that/..
03:19:59: <hEnkiE> then why would his morals be superior? Because he's God? Because he just 'sets the rul;es'?
03:20:12: <Snickie> ....Yeah, pretty much.
03:20:20: <Snickie> And he also created us and gave us life and everything.
03:20:20: <alladinsane> You have it right, because he is God.
03:22:20: <hEnkiE> So lets recap, in your rules and or opinions...
03:23:03: <hEnkiE> You should believe in God because he gave you everything and made you, which means you should also live by the morals he put in his little book, and live by his rules best you can?
03:23:21: <Snickie> GRRR IT'S NOT ABOUT THE RULES
03:23:26: <Snickie> It's about the relationship!
03:23:36: <Snickie> Think about it.
03:23:51: <Snickie> You have a good relationship with the most powerful being in the entire universe.
03:23:58: <Snickie> Wouldn't you want to share that with other people?
03:24:12: <hEnkiE> okay, sorry, it;s just the inadequacy of lagnuage here, Snick, remember English is not my native tongue ^^
03:24:40: <Snickie> heh
03:24:46: <hEnkiE> And I wouldn't feel any need to, no... I got it, why would that be any one elses problem? I don;t have to better theuir lives for them :S
03:24:48: <Snickie> But you do a good job with it
03:25:05: <Snickie> You don't /have/ to better their lives for them.
03:25:42: <hEnkiE> I don't see the poiont in getting other people to live 'better' lives, let them do that...
03:26:18: <hEnkiE> I have had about 6 months of Jehova's Whitnesses coming by my door.. In the end they gave up. That either makes them a hyupocrite, or me stupid
03:26:50: <Snickie> I don't understand Jehovah's Witnesses.
03:26:55: <Snickie> They are strange.
03:27:02: <Snickie> They even have a separate bible.
03:27:24: <Snickie> Anyway, they come around here maybe once every few months.
03:27:34: <hEnkiE> To behonest, I didn't either, but I kind of think I got the 3 who came to my door every time to doubt their own beliefs :S
03:27:38: <Snickie> And Ally likes to chat doctrine and theologies with them.
03:29:10: <hEnkiE> I like testing their beliefs.. I like seeing if they know what it is they believ ein, like to see if they realy think it is moraly right to try convince me into following them...
03:29:54: <Snickie> I can tell that you like testing their beliefs.
03:30:17: <hEnkiE> The ones coming to my door.. Ended up doubtful and full of new ideas, But it means I may have gotten them off the 'right path'. Would you be upset if I persuaded one of your friends/fellow churchgoers, into giving up the faith and becoming an Atheïst?
03:30:38: <Snickie> I can't honestly say it hasn't happened.
03:31:14: <hEnkiE> Not what I asked ^^
03:32:01: <Snickie> I probably would be upset, that a friend has turned away. But I wouldn't start a whole Crusade because of it.
03:32:10: <Snickie> By the way, Catholics are strange too.
03:32:48: <hEnkiE> I think eery religon has it's falws
03:33:04: <Snickie> I'm not saying they're wrong; I'm just saying they're strange.
03:33:43: <hEnkiE> the best religion, is a silent one, done in your own home, don;t bother others wiht it. if you think you're right, great! Kudo's! But what makes you think you have the right to convince others you are right?
03:34:43: <Snickie> Freedom of Religion
03:35:11: <Snickie> But again: Christianity. Not about the religion.
03:35:45: <hEnkiE> Then what makes you think you are so very dead-on bulls-eye right on spot.. That everyone should follow the same?
03:36:15: <alladinsane> You probably wouldn't be able to convince many in our church to change except the very young. They have not studied deeply enough yet.
03:36:40: <alladinsane> probably those 66 books.
03:37:35: <hEnkiE> Yet I strongly doubt anything would be able to convince me.. Even 66 books.
03:38:24: <Snickie> Henkie has read all 66 books.
03:38:29: <hEnkiE> Throw as many books as you like at me.. They are all based on the same things.. You either believe in him or not.
03:38:53: <alladinsane> All that matters is that you know about them. We don't convince with the sword. That was catholocism. (sp?)
03:39:05: <Snickie> Catholicism.
03:39:17: <Snickie> Catholic + ism
03:39:38: <hEnkiE> And I think people shouldn't care about it. Don't waste time on earth 'honoring and gloriying' him... What good will that bring you or Him? Who gives a fudge about it?
03:39:53: <alladinsane> we do
03:40:22: <alladinsane> You are arguing philosophy and ethos... nothing to do with what its about.
03:40:47: <hEnkiE> I think if there is a God, and I really don;t believe that, he won;t care.. All he wll care about is the moral codes you lived by, and the life you hav eled... I don';t think he minds whether I spent 500 hours of 1 hour on him,.. Honoring his name here, why would he care at all?
03:40:59: <hEnkiE> this is just what I think of the entire ordeal..
03:41:12: <alladinsane> Every sentence starting with a "wh" word.
03:41:26: <alladinsane> Yes, -his- moral codes.
03:43:16: <alladinsane> Daddy's house, Daddy's rules. The thing is, we mostly believe we are happier by asking ourselves to stay in control of ourselves. Its really no burden at all.
03:43:48: <hEnkiE> Then good for you, and I don't mind.. I just find it all useless...
03:44:07: <Snickie> How so?
03:44:10: <alladinsane> So, our lives are a little tougher by our your standards, we don't ask you to live as disciplined as us. We just tell you about this great guy.
03:45:26: <hEnkiE> Then I can only reply, have fun with your (in my eyes imaginary) gret guy,,, I Don't need him, and if he exists, I doubt he need me
03:45:30: <alladinsane> Athletes hang with athletes, christians with christians, thieves with theives, doctors with doctors...its all good.
03:45:44: <hEnkiE> I never mean offence, again...
03:45:46: <alladinsane> He doesn't need you. You are right about that.
03:46:09: <Snickie> But he wants you.
03:46:33: <Snickie> And He'll do what He can to help you realize that.
03:46:35: <alladinsane> Nah...I just thought you were bringing something a bit more academic. I believed exactly the same as you once.
03:47:04: <Snickie> Whether or not you do is up to you -- that's free will.
03:47:18: <hEnkiE> Well I can throw around acedemic arguments, but they have all been said and argued about.
03:47:45: <hEnkiE> Lol snicky, brings me to the next question.. If there is a God.. Why would he make me an atheist?1
03:48:25: <alladinsane> True, they have and didn't quite get it done.
03:49:06: <alladinsane> God only made -you-...your principals and beliefs are free will. He did not create an atheist...you did.
03:49:21: <hEnkiE> Nope, pretty hard to throw science against something that;s not science... Comparing apples with oranges, can;t be done.
03:49:33: <hEnkiE> So if that's true.. Why would I not go to heaven if I don;t believe?
03:49:56: <alladinsane> But we throw science against everything else...why does it fall short in this case?
03:50:29: <alladinsane> Because belief is the price of admission. We are going into circular discussions here Socrates.
03:51:49: <hEnkiE> The same reason why science can never cope with philosophy... It is not only religion it falls short to..
03:52:20: <hEnkiE> science can nt cope with metaphysical ideas, for it it only ment to be practised with the physical..
03:52:45: <hEnkiE> oh I know, we won;t be able to persuade the other any way,,, I'm just enjoying the talk now
03:55:26: <alladinsane> Understood, and you are right about science. it falls short constantly. The only thing science has been consistent at is being wrong. Still, I would never turn away from science and the scientific method
03:55:43: <alladinsane> was invented by a christian (or group there of)
03:55:55: <Snickie> Science = knowledge (literally)
03:56:24: <alladinsane> We -want- to know about our world...what works, what doesn't...what will explode if you shake it too hard.
03:56:38: <hEnkiE> I know.. Science is the most basic form of constituting truth.
03:56:52: <hEnkiE> but some things can not be formed into 1 single truth
03:56:54: <alladinsane> correct.
03:57:05: <alladinsane> also correct.
03:57:12: <hEnkiE> one of the most basic misconceptions.. people beliving there to be only 1 truth
03:58:15: <alladinsane> Only one about God... anything else, who knows. Maybe there is more than one about God... The price of finding out is death though. yeeks.!
03:59:19: <alladinsane> Or am I wrong on that snickie... have we pretty much established one truth about God? I mean, I know that there is only one, but our knowledge of him is limited by our capacity to understand
03:59:40: <hEnkiE> I'd like there to be an afterlife, heaven or hell.. don't really mind either.. But I just can't accept the ideas
03:59:52: <alladinsane> So I will back off on that, just because I am not sure.
04:00:21: <hEnkiE> ven God is not a truth and you have to admit that...
04:00:39: <hEnkiE> Truth is you just don;t know 100% sure
04:00:46: <alladinsane> Its hard concept because they are not natural within our current crop of knowledge.
04:01:33: <alladinsane> I am 100% sure he exists if that is what you are asking. I just don't really know the form.
04:01:47: <hEnkiE> YOU are yes.. But there is no proof.
04:03:44: <alladinsane> now we are back to the circle. jesus existed, that we know. some details, we find out more as we dig
04:04:12: <alladinsane> god, no cant prove that
04:04:29: <hEnkiE> And that is the mere basis of it all. Yer or no, believe or not...
04:04:33: <hEnkiE> I don't, you do.
04:04:43: <hEnkiE> I am very sure either way, we both will end up just fine
04:04:45: <hEnkiE> in life and death.
04:06:10: <alladinsane> If we are right, you are going to pay for a long long time. If you are right, we all end up in graves. But hopefully we will be remember as somebody who believed in something and stuck to it.
04:07:03: <alladinsane> Its like marriage. You say you will stay with this person forever and usually say "so help me God" or something. But you do your best to stick to it.
04:07:11: <alladinsane> a diet is something you stick to.
04:07:22: <alladinsane> a favorite futbol team
04:07:55: <alladinsane> favorite beer maybe... I was always a huge fan of 'cold' beer and tried to stick to it.
04:08:22: <alladinsane> some people don't eat certain foods because of beliefs.
04:08:26: <hEnkiE> I you are right then indeed, I will end up in Hell, but I don;t really see a difference between heaven and hell, they are both a constant stream of things...
04:10:23: <alladinsane> One is joyful, one is not. Other than that, they are a place where lots of souls reside..
04:11:22: <alladinsane> and of course Jesus, His father and a whole lot of other people are in one.
04:12:08: <hEnkiE> Mwa, I can't say I like one more than the other.
04:12:47: <Snickie> (Assuming we are right.) Will you be saying that when Judgment Day comes?
04:13:16: <alladinsane> I guess, not till your there and its too late. The grass is always greener on the other side. We really don't mind living this way though... we are very blessed.
04:13:43: <hEnkiE> I think you waste a lot of your time.. Again, merely opinion.
04:13:47: <alladinsane> The rewards have happened right here on earth.
04:14:05: <alladinsane> Maybe... what do you do with the time you don'
04:14:10: <hEnkiE> ANd yes snicky, I can honestly say (though it sounds cheap over the internet) I will plead for my case if tehre will be a 'judgement day' in my lifetime
04:14:11: <alladinsane> t waste?
04:14:48: <alladinsane> sorry, my pinky hit the enter. what do you do with the time you don't waste?
04:15:13: <alladinsane> and the 10% or more of your salary?
04:15:22: <hEnkiE> I sometimes waste time, but I don't waste a standard couple hours on htings like church.. In myopinion, nobody and no one cares about whether or not you go there, excepts the other people who go
04:15:32: <hEnkiE> what about the 10%?
04:15:49: <Snickie> (tithes and offerings)
04:16:29: <alladinsane> What do you do with that. We handicap ourselves by giving our first 10% (actually more) of our salary to god every week. You have more than us, so what do you do with it?
04:16:39: <alladinsane> If you are employed of course.
04:17:07: <hEnkiE> I am, and I don;t give it to an institution that declares it can speak for god.
04:17:18: <hEnkiE> What I do with it? I fill my life with more pleasure.
04:17:38: <hEnkiE> More money means I can buy the perfect gift for my parents, famlily and friends.
04:17:46: <hEnkiE> It means I can do more things I like
04:18:02: <alladinsane> Ah...hedonism. Okay, I was just asking. Do you think that we feel cheated because we give it away?
04:18:51: <hEnkiE> Nope, it's your money, your things, do with it as you please...
04:20:20: <alladinsane> Cool... I agree. I would say that our blessings have been multiplied by doing it and our lives got even better when we started doing it (along with the lives of others), but it would sound shallow without example I guess.
04:21:22: <hEnkiE> Not really, why would you lie? If you say so, I will believe it.
04:21:25: <Snickie> hmm.... the promotion, the house, the MS, the prosecution....
04:21:26: <alladinsane> I can't explain why it works... I can only testify that it does. Our blessings have been so numerous that it blows my mind.
04:21:38: <hEnkiE> And as I said, you do with your oney as you wish
04:21:42: <Snickie> Yep. We've been blessed.
04:21:54: <hEnkiE> But don't judge me on the fact tat I don't do the same
04:22:10: <Snickie> That's fine. It's not out jobs to judge you anyway.
04:22:34: <Snickie> That's the Big Man Upstair's job.
04:22:35: <alladinsane> exactly...I have no reason to lie. I don't think anyone will get turned in this chat, I just want to make sure you have a few things to think about. I asked the same questions as you long ago
04:22:50: <alladinsane> and frankly, not all those questions got answered.
04:23:29: <hEnkiE> I doubt all my questions wil be answered.. But filling the answers in with an almighty imaginary friend who solves it all... I rather not.
04:23:34: <hEnkiE> sorry for the hars wording..
04:23:41: <alladinsane> But the deeper ones still seem to make sense when you get to certain points.
04:23:57: <alladinsane> Lol... I said the same thing.
04:24:05: <alladinsane> many times, to many people.
04:24:49: <hEnkiE> I am sure many more people then you and me did. And I doubt more than half of them are now followers of Christ...
04:24:53: <alladinsane> questioning the resurrection, that seemed like low hanging fruit. Man, a doctor blew me away one day.
04:25:16: <alladinsane> Maybe not, I guess I just got stupid.
04:25:59: <alladinsane> Actually, I think I was always stupid.
04:26:10: <hEnkiE> THose aren't my words, I never call people stupid
04:26:13: <hEnkiE> People aren't
04:26:28: <hEnkiE> People can be ignorant, unknowing, unwilling... But not stupid
04:26:32: <alladinsane> I know.
04:26:45: <hEnkiE> stupid is merely a term used to centre multiple of these terms together
04:26:56: <hEnkiE> 'stupid' is a label
04:26:59: <alladinsane> that might apply to us both.
04:27:17: <alladinsane> Okay, I didn't mean to get us hung up on semantics.
04:27:33: <hEnkiE> sorry ^^
04:27:43: <alladinsane> But then again, I dropped out of school. So that was a stupid thing of me to do.
04:28:19: <hEnkiE> Depends on what you describe as stupid..
04:28:29: <alladinsane> np.I am not taking this badly. My faith can't be scratched that I know of.
04:28:30: <hEnkiE> anyway
04:28:44: <alladinsane> You are up late my friend. need some sleep?
04:29:35: <hEnkiE> 5:30
04:29:58: <hEnkiE> sitting with some friends a a wonderfull 12 year old single malt scotch... No worries
04:30:18: <hEnkiE> ow, they both fell asleep I just noticed hehe
04:35:04: <Snickie> I just now almost fell asleep.
04:36:10: <hEnkiE> what time do you have it?
04:38:55: <alladinsane> 11:38
04:39:06: <alladinsane> 23:38
04:40:30: <hEnkiE> that is not late ^^ 6 hours earlier then here!
04:41:04: <hEnkiE> anyway, I'm gona head back home. I gave snicky permission to post the conversation on the religon topic, again here, I do not mind. I stand by m,y words
04:41:16: <alladinsane> Not late for a friday, nah. I think that when you get used to being in bed by this time, your body clock sets off.
04:41:38: <alladinsane> Fair enough. Thanks for the conversation Henkie.
04:42:13: <hEnkiE> Likewise Ally
04:42:37: <hEnkiE> Good night and I am quite certain I will talk to you soon in here
04:42:40: <hEnkiE> Ciau
Snickie wrote:Oh God, not this again.
You need to study more. The Hindoo Sakia, Hesus of the Celtic Droids, Chrishna.... Actually there are many more occurances that pre-date christianity that have a god dying via crucifixion for the world's sins.Snickie wrote: (like Chris's example came from how Christians believe their savior died on a cross for everyone's sin (a concept only found in Christianity, from what I've studied))..
kronos wrote:like a nice trim is totally fine. short, neat. I don't want to be fighting through the forests of fangorn and expecting treebeard to come and show me the way in
Snickie wrote:Here is what I know of Pastafarianism from the top of my head.
Pastafarianism also known as the religion of the flying spaghetti monster was created to mock other religions by taking what people find favorable in other religions (like Chris's example came from how Christians believe their savior died on a cross for everyone's sin (a concept only found in Christianity, from what I've studied; everyone else pretty much either just preached and then died or never claimed to have come to Earth as a full human at all (of course just referring to the non-atheistic religions))) and combining them all into one religion. They even have their own Bible which basically blasphemizes other religious Bibles.
It's entirely non-serious.
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