The Religion Debate Thread

[rklenseth]

The God I believe in, is infinite. Man is finite.

Well, if humans are a part of God than doesn't that make humans, like God, infinite.

Don't make jokes about god please .

I'm pretty sure God's ego can take it, Trage. Hell, me and God joke about each other all the time. I'm sure just as much as I laugh at God's irony, he is up their laughing his ass off saying, "look at that fucking idiot!"

[trage]

The God I believe in, is infinite. Man is finite.

Well, if humans are a part of God than doesn't that make humans, like God, infinite.

Don't make jokes about god please .

I'm pretty sure God's ego can take it, Trage. Hell, me and God joke about each other all the time. I'm sure just as much as I laugh at God's irony, he is up their laughing his ass off saying, "look at that fucking idiot!"

It's still not nice..... . Oh and yes we all know you are a "fucking idiot". Anyways this goes back to the god made us in his "image". He did not make us to be godly.

[kroner]

ok, i promised myself i wouldn't post again on here because i keep making the same bloody arguement but people seem to be missing the point. here goes anyway.

first, all science is, by definition, is the most logical and simple way to explain the way things work based on observation. end of story. any belief that contradicts science is therefore, although not impossible, not the most logical and simple way to explain how things work. it does not serve any purpose to put faith in an idea which plainly contradicts logic; logic being the only truth we have.

ok, now that that has been adressed, i would agree that the belief in god as the initiator of the universe does not contradict science. it is a plausable explanation. you guys have done a good job shaping your view of god to fit logic which is why the poeple arguing against it here have largely failed. after all, thousands of years have gone into crafting this description so with the intention of explaining all aspects of life and the universe. indeed, it is one possilbe explanation for the underlying causes of the universe. i stress the "one" because it is only a particular solution to a general set of solutions. now you only need to mention the other infinite number of possiblities that are equally probably and you'll have all the bases covered. obviously there is only one truth, but the truth is impossible to know so we are left with these infinite solutions and no initial conditions to point to the correct one for us. to put absolute faith in one is to discount the others, anyone of which maybe the actual correct one. that's quite an assumption... and it will most likely leave you with the wrong choice, because it's only a guess. instead stay open to every possibility and you are left with a much more open view.

[rklenseth]

The God I believe in, is infinite. Man is finite.

Well, if humans are a part of God than doesn't that make humans, like God, infinite.

Don't make jokes about god please .

I'm pretty sure God's ego can take it, Trage. Hell, me and God joke about each other all the time. I'm sure just as much as I laugh at God's irony, he is up their laughing his ass off saying, "look at that fucking idiot!"

It's still not nice..... . Oh and yes we all know you are a "fucking idiot". Anyways this goes back to the god made us in his "image". He did not make us to be godly.

I joke in a good way though, not in a mean way. There is a difference and I am pretty sure God will know the difference.

Are you so sure about that? Some would say otherwise. We create and destroy just like God. Technology is sort of a power within itself. Some would claim that magic is part of the power of God. There are many instances where humans have gotten on God's level.

[trage]

Well technically if you believe what the bible says our weapons would be futile against god and we would still not be on a level of godliness, and yes we can create and destroy, but can we create a whole planet from nothing bring life to it and make landforms? (Note: This is just what the bible says. Don't critize me for it.) Oh and I know you are just joking around. I was just kidding RKL.

[rklenseth]

Well technically if you believe what the bible says our weapons would be futile against god and we would still not be on a level of godliness, and yes we can create and destroy, but can we create a whole planet from nothing bring life to it and make landforms? (Note: This is just what the bible says. Don't critize me for it.) Oh and I know you are just joking around. I was just kidding RKL.

Well, we are planning on doing that with the Moon and later Mars. We are also able to clone and many other things that 50 years ago was impossible. We are still growing but I think when it is meant that we were made in the image of God it is more of a spirit and the ablility to think and comprehend. Well, God is immortal but humans are only suppose to live to around 40, 50, and maybe 60 years old. Humans now are able to allow themselves to live to their 70, 80, and maybe 90. And it is still being pushed back. Perhaps someday we will make ourselves immortal. Though on the human track record of trying to make themselves immortal I think we are screwed in that regard. The Chinese were trying to create the Elixir of Life and instead create gunpowder. Yep, there'll be a lot more death until immortality is gained.

One would also argue that our spirits or souls are immortal.

And I kind of figured you were kidding. And even if it wasn't it wouldn't have bothered me anyways.

[trage]

Yes our spirits and souls are immortal, but humans were not intended to live for 40, 50 or 60 years. If you date back people use to live hundreds of years. Supposedly Methusala (sp?) lived to be 934 (age?), but after the great flood people started to die at younger ages. I think god did that because he didn't want people to become as corrupt as they did before because of their longer lives, but we, as humans, have some how managed to corrupt ourselves at faster pastes than ever before .

And when I said he created it from nothing I am talking about how he made a great big black ball than created life on it.

[|william|]

Has anyone ever heard of Berenger Sauniere of the church called Rennes-le-Château

just wondering if anyone has....

very interesting topic

[Psycho Pixie]

You know what? I like my new quote, I think it matches up well with this thread....

Life is not really a test, but the idea behind the quote is pretty good.


PsPi

[Lone Wolf]

Yes our spirits and souls are immortal, but humans were not intended to live for 40, 50 or 60 years. If you date back people use to live hundreds of years. Supposedly Methusala (sp?) lived to be 934 (age?), but after the great flood people started to die at younger ages. I think god did that because he didn't want people to become as corrupt as they did before because of their longer lives, but we, as humans, have some how managed to corrupt ourselves at faster pastes than ever before .

And when I said he created it from nothing I am talking about how he made a great big black ball than created life on it.

I have heard this so many times about how people lived hundreds of years old. But what calander was used? Not the one we use now, that I know.

[Pirog]

I see ample evidence in the world around me, and my life, to know God exists....it's all where you're looking I suppose.

I would rather say it's about how you are thinking.
As with all other things you need to question things before you take them for the truth.
Since you obviously believe in supernatural forces there is a chance that Satan defeated god and that you know serve him. It would be a small matter for Satan to make you all believe you were worshiping god instead of him...how do you feel about that argument?
(I'm not trying to provoke you or joke with your religion, it is meant as a serious question.)

BTW God did show himself. The Old Testament clearly states that...as does the New.

Um, let me put it like this...Have you at least considered the possibility of humans writing the bible and lying to decieve people?

Why should those answers be avoided? The God I believe in, is infinite. Man is finite. Since we're discussing God, why is it wrong for me to say that in answer to your question? I'm already arguing God exists right? Did that make sense?

Because such answers are designed to fill in the gaps where religions can't come with a suitable response. Since we have no other gods to compare with, and humans are seen as more elevated than other animals, we have no choice but to compare gods actions from a human view.
If god made us it is his fault that we can't understand his actions, leaving him responsible for an explanation...

[Pirog]

About the Great Flood>>

If god created everything man must have lived side by side with the dinosaurs. Do you have any arguments to why none of the dinosaurs made it on to the ship?

[The Hunter]

Must be a size thing...
No more room.

[trage]

Because the ship would have to be enourmous, and plus the fact that if he did take them on he couldn't exactly keep them in one place like he did with the other carnivoures (sp?). That and the ship would sink......

[trage]

Yes our spirits and souls are immortal, but humans were not intended to live for 40, 50 or 60 years. If you date back people use to live hundreds of years. Supposedly Methusala (sp?) lived to be 934 (age?), but after the great flood people started to die at younger ages. I think god did that because he didn't want people to become as corrupt as they did before because of their longer lives, but we, as humans, have some how managed to corrupt ourselves at faster pastes than ever before .

And when I said he created it from nothing I am talking about how he made a great big black ball than created life on it.

I have heard this so many times about how people lived hundreds of years old. But what calander was used? Not the one we use now, that I know.

Even if our calander wasn't used we could still find out that it had to be somewhere close to ours. I mean look at Jesus he lived to be in his thirties and was a man when he died. Now technically that would mean that he would have to have lived for at least 20 years. Now even if you did divide our calander in half to get that Methusala would still be somehwere in his 400's.