WHY THE INJUSTIS

[swymir]

Well if Christians can't even agree with other Christians why should I agree with any of them. Religion is a controling device and nothing more, it was an essential part of civilization to get to the stage where it is today, but the newest religion is science.

[Pie]

How can you agree with science with all of the different "religions " of science?(And also, Sciens AGREEES WITH MANY OF THE MIRACLES OF THE OLD TESTAMENT, as you said yourself. That dosent weaken my argument, it strengthens it. That means that those miracles COULD HAVE HAPPENED, and so you CANT say that they couldn't have happened.)

Also, you must be aware of the fact that not all churches are different. Its cindof like, you go to burger king for.. their sandwich.. then go to micdonalds for theirs.But you stay away frome the greesy spoon becous thier sandwich is opresing and depressing.

(Oh, and there was a great debate, Stated in the tape"The case for crist" Wich 47... or somthing... Athiest were converted into cristions. Coinsidingly, nobody became athiests that day. A fun little fact that i don't know why i did that.)

Oh, and also, why don't you flame about the many branches of islam or muslim(Arent they the same?) or taoisim OR SOMTHING ELS? Why do YOU choos to only stop cristianaty?

[swymir]

I don't. All religion is bogus.

Except maybe Hinduism. That is the most believable religion out there in my opinion.

[Thetaris]

Because no other religion is as widespread as Christianity

Unless you mean in the forums, that's really wrong, and you've obviously got the George Bush Syndrome, or the American Syndrome... either way.

Think of Buddhism. Think of the BILLION Chinese, and imagine how many of that billion worship that. Now come back to America, where there is 200 million (I think? Thank god I'm not American), and I doubt that many would worship Christianity.

While the ethics are in the right place, the God part I don't like.

[Pie]

Hmmmm. I must say that i disagree with religion being a controlling mechonism... sorry, i mised that in my last post.

so, I must ask you, If religion is just way for humans to make peac with deth, and make people feel good,then what is Scienc? EH? SCIENCE IS BUT A WAY TO MAKE HUMANS FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEMSELVS

You see, with god breathing doun your neck, some people try and disprove religion to make Humanity more glorius, to make them feel good about themselvs. To put power with HUMANITY INSTEAD OF DIVINITY is what science trys to do.

Example

While the ethics are in the right place, the God part I don't like.

Also, the statment, all religion is bogus is COMPLEATLY FALS. The bible has had MONUMENTAL archeological proof made with it. Such as, when jesus exosised the man of his demons and put them into the pigs, then they ran into the sea(Cant remember wich) He was in a town bout xxx(Cant remember) miles south of the sea. People tryd to make this profe against christ, but then acheological evidence found a village.. say... right next to the sea.

[Pirate Lass]

Pie, I hate to be mean but..... have you ever heard of SPELL CHECK.

Trying to read any of your mis-spelled posts is like trying to read another language. I just hope that perhaps it's a second language to you, and maybe you havn't quite got a grasp on it yet.... either way, it's an English professor's nightmare.

*twitch*

[swymir]

Because no other religion is as widespread as Christianity

Unless you mean in the forums, that's really wrong, and you've obviously got the George Bush Syndrome, or the American Syndrome... either way.

Think of Buddhism. Think of the BILLION Chinese, and imagine how many of that billion worship that. Now come back to America, where there is 200 million (I think? Thank god I'm not American), and I doubt that many would worship Christianity.

While the ethics are in the right place, the God part I don't like.

I said widespread. As in spread out through the world. The Spanish culture is predominately christian and that takes up all of South America. True it does not make up a majority of the religion pie population wise, but it does in the matter of covering the most area.

Most religions are fairly centralized.

[Pie]

religion pie .

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[swymir]

Also, the statment, all religion is bogus is COMPLEATLY FALS. The bible has had MONUMENTAL archeological proof made with it. Such as, when jesus exosised the man of his demons and put them into the pigs, then they ran into the sea(Cant remember wich) He was in a town bout xxx(Cant remember) miles south of the sea. People tryd to make this profe against christ, but then acheological evidence found a village.. say... right next to the sea.

Again, a quote made by me taken the wrong way. For one, that is not a defense as there are thousands of villages by the sea you are bound to find one that fits any description you can imagine. Second, the men who wrote the bible did have some knowledge of geography and would have had to use actual places that were commonly known to the people in order to gain support and believability.

Now a rebuttle for your assault against science. Science does not make humans feel good about themselves, that is what religion does. Science, I am just going to use the Evolution theory here (which has tons of holes in itself), states that humans are meaningless in the scope of things. Most science leads to that conclusion. "There is likely no life after death"; "Earth is just one planet amongst billions"; "The Earth was created billions of years ago and humans have only lived on it for 3 million". None of these make me feel proud and powerful.

With that said, I would like to discuss my opinion of religion. Relgion was used as a controlling device back in a time when the general population needed controlling. Look a the ten commandments, (only using Christianity because I am most familiar with it) each commandment is basically a law that any government would make now-a-days. "Thou shalt not kill"; "Thou shalt not steal", etc. But it is not the believe in something higher than humans that I have a problem with, it is the way religion is taught and carried out today that pisses me off. There is no proof for or against the existance of God so I can not dismiss it as a possibility. There may be a God, but if there is, he does not want me to sit in Church for an hour every Sunday and listen to another man's interprutation of the bible. If he is so generous and forgiving why would he sentance me to a live in hell just because I made a mistake in not believing in him?

[swymir]

religion pie .

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When I am trying to type quickly I make TONS of mistakes. I am surprised that is the worst you could find. I am prone to type keys out of order on a regular basis.

[Pie]

I just like myself!!! I have a rebuttle to you. Hell, in the bible, has 7 levles of severity. So its not like, if idon't believ in crist, i am going to be tortuerd for the rest of my life. Maby if i don't do my homework... but not if i just don't believ. Maby the first levle is a life were nothing happenes, a life of boredom, or somthing like that. Perhaps after spending your time in hell you will go up to heaven. Who knows? But the thought still stands, 7 levles of severity.

Back in the old days, the person who wrote the gosphles(FOUR PEOPLE mathue mark luke and jhon) wrote it 2 years after the death of crist. Crist was roaming around for 3 years, doing miracles, being god. So, if you wanted proof, just go doun to that villag. That is probabbly what the debaiting jews did. What did they find? Who knows? But the debaits dont say they uesed that in any way against crist.

There... actually is proof to the existance of god. To the existance of jeses, actually, who is, in essance, god(God encarnant), therefore, there is proof of god.

Also, then why do so many peole believ in Evolution? If Evolution has so many holes, then why do they believ in it? Becous, to a point, it gives them asurance, Either that, or they believ everything that has a .org after it.

[swymir]

You have to assume one thing is true before the other is verified. If you believe in what the bible says, you will find this village, but if you don't believe in the bible than the village is irrelavant.

Now the bordom life is called purgatory, and you are not tortured in any way except in the fact that you can see heaven, but our denied access, which would have to be the ultimate torture. It is basically God saying "Sure you lived a good life, but you didn't believe in me so now look where you are. Ha Ha Ha Ha." And then there is a nother level where you are only in hell and tortured for so many years (which is some ridiculously long time)

[Pie]

K, I was saying those as a thery. I know the thing about 7 lvls of tourture, but who's to say what the first lvl is? Only god... and dead people.... know. And... who is to say how long the punishment will be.. OR IF THE PUNISHMENT WILL EVEN HAVE A LENGTH????

If you don't believ in what the bible sais you can go doun to that village and ask them "Did some wierd guy with a bierd come here and kill som pigs?''

[swymir]

Those would be some old people who recall that.

And those levels are in the bible somewhere. I read it once, but it was a long time ago.

[Mafia Salad]

I've read the whole bible and I can't remember seven levels of torture anywhere in it. The only place that I can think says anything like that is in Revelation where it is dealing with end time prophecies. But that’s one confusing book that won't make perfect sense until it comes to pass.