Post here if you're openly white supremist.

[the_antisocial_hermit]

Yes. The genes aren't telling you to do a damn thing. They're just a result of heredity.

I didn't say the genes were telling your body what to do; I only stated that spreading them through reproduction is a reason for the instinct.

[Floris]

Then where do mules and muledeers come from?

Although the result of intercourse between a donkey and a horse is a living creature, that creature in itself is sterile. Proof enough that it is against nature, yet also proof that animals do not always follow their instinct (unless ofcourse it is instinct for a stallion to impregnate a female donkey. (I believe there other such cases as well: wolf and dog(not sterile though), lion and tiger,...)

There are monkey species that also have sex for pleasure(especially gibbons), and I'm very sure there are others as well.

There have also been a lot of examples of sex between creatures that cannot reproduce(at least not in the given combination). If reproduction is 100% pointless, then sure the sex then is just for pleasure( yes possibly for only one of the two 'participants', rape is not only human as well).

[SekoETC]

Ok, sorry for sparking this convo.

Mooooooooooooooooods! Please split this topic!

This thread is for discussing what kind of characters you'd like to see in Cantr, NOT about wether eagles wear condoms or if a dog can hump a donkey. XD

[Sarah]

There's an entire forum just for moderation requests which you're welcome to use if you want to get the CD's attention, Seko.

[formerly known as hf]

Both Hermie and schme are right...

Sex causing pleasure is an evolutionary development - creatures which recieve some form of 'high' from the reproductive act are more likely to perform said act, and ultimately reproduce.

In addition to this, alongside it, there is an instinctive need in all creatures to reproduce. The desire to have offspring, whether the reproductive act is pleasurable or not, is another evolutionary development.

Look at it this way - if the sole reason for having offspring was because the act of reproduction is pleasurable - than the world birthrates would have plummeted with thedevelopment of contraceptives.
If the only reason people have babies is because sex is fun, then why do people, who have full access to, and regualrly use, contraceptives still have children. Indeed, plan to have children, rather than just by the failure of said contraception?

Clearly sex-as-pleasure is not the only thing that drives people to have children, there are deep-rooted (genetically programmed) desires to have offspring.
Pleasurable sex is an additional evolutionary development, and a nice one at that

[Pie]

*Enters the topic and then backs away.. noticing that he is wAY TO YOUNG for this debait.*

[swymir]

Pleasure from sex is a result of evolution and natural selection. It turns out when creatures enjoy having sex they tend to do it more and therefore spread their genes while the creatures who do not gain pleasure from sex tend to die out over time. Along similir lines is the psycological instincts (dervied from your genetic coding) to find the opposite sex attractive and to want to mate with them. The act of having sex solely for pleasure is not what evolution had intended and if offspring was not a result of having sex than it is unlikely that sex would haveevolved as being pleasureable as it would offer no advantage to that creature or to it's ability to reproduce and leave offspring.

[Schme]

What the fuc.k? I didn't start any topic, and if I did, I sure as hell would not have named it Sex, and this does have to do with Cantr. We were talking about why there is no reason for people to be able to have sex in Cantr. What's this you made here?

[MrPenguin589]

and this does have to do with Cantr.

*Coughs* This is in Non-Cantr-Related discussion, if you haven't noticed...

[swymir]

It's just a split from the original "What characters you like to see in Cantr" thread. It just turns out your post started the conversation which has drifted to the reasons people have sex.

[Schme]

Then where do mules and muledeers come from?

Although the result of intercourse between a donkey and a horse is a living creature, that creature in itself is sterile. Proof enough that it is against nature, yet.............

That's because sex is pleasurable, guy. It's pleasurable. That's why they're doing it. It's not that hard to comprehend.

Homosexual sex does not end in reproduction, but it's still fun for the people doing it.

I truly don't think the anyone really cares as long as their getting laid.

And the thing is, the animals don't know anything.

And, perhaps you've forgotten that it's the OFFSPRING of those two that are sterile, not them. There you are.

[Schme]

and this does have to do with Cantr.

*Coughs* This is in Non-Cantr-Related discussion, if you haven't noticed...

I'm not blind, guy. Why do you think I said "I would not have put it in Non-Cantr Discussion".

[Pie]

Ok, I'm about to turn this into an Evolution debait.

How can you say that Evolution coused desirable sex? You have ABSOLUTLY NO IDEA how animals thinked back then, AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THE BRAIN WORKS YET, so how the heck did you find THIS interesting fact out?

And clearly, EVOLUTION DIDN'T INTEND ANYTHING. IT DIDN'T THINK. IT IS AN IDEA, A THERY, so clearly the statment by Swymir that

The act of having sex solely for pleasure is not what evolution had intended

CANT BE TRUE. And i don't understand WERE THAT CAME FROME ANYWAY.

Also, do you Really think that anyone would really WANT TO HAVE SEX IF IT WASN'T PLESURABLE?!?!?!?

animals arn't as intelegant as humans(By any means) and mostly they run on instinct. The animals of 5 or whatever bilion years ago would have been EVEN MORE DEPENDANT ON INSTINKT AND PLESURE STIMULATION THAT THE ANIMALS OF TODAY. So do you really think that they would have EVEN HAD SEX ENOUGH TO MAKE EVOLVING HAPPEN?!?!?!?

No. So sex HAD TO HAVE CLEARLY been plesurable at the start. That is why sex is so disiarable. ALSO, for us, more intelectual, and instinct independant species (Yes people, you, the homo sapians) Also have sex to have children, to be able to rais a child and love her/him, care for her/him, and do whatever posible to make this chiled a grown young man/womon. But this dosent refute my earlyer point that EVOLUTION DIDN'T COUS SEX TO BE PLESURABLE.

[Schme]

Pie, everything you said we've said already, and everything you brought up already addressed. Why not read the thing next time?

[Schme]

No disrepect intended, but it just looks to me like it must have taken a while to write that post, and you could save everyone including yourself time if you'd read through thing first.