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Postby InsaneIrony » Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:28 pm

SekoETC wrote:Ok just you wait when she starts hearing things again, things might get confusing. Let's see if I can manage without breaking this rule again. A single thought may not ruin everything but complaining about it does.


I think you should at least be able to show how you feel. like *feels depressed* or *feels confused*... You'd be able to see it on their face perhaps. Just outright thoughts like 'Hmm... he looks cute. I wonder if he's rich' shouldn't be allowed...
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Postby cantrpotatoe » Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:31 pm

InsaneIrony wrote:
SekoETC wrote:Ok just you wait when she starts hearing things again, things might get confusing. Let's see if I can manage without breaking this rule again. A single thought may not ruin everything but complaining about it does.


I think you should at least be able to show how you feel. like *feels depressed* or *feels confused*... You'd be able to see it on their face perhaps. Just outright thoughts like 'Hmm... he looks cute. I wonder if he's rich' shouldn't be allowed...


I have wondered about the *feels confused* .. I have refrained from useing ones like that. I was going to ask, but havent had time for the forum.. but there is always time for my charrys :) .. I could have used something like alot of times..
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Postby The Industriallist » Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:24 am

*feels confused* explicitly talks about the character's emotions without any physical reference. Weighting simple gestures with emotion explanations *creased brow confusedly*, say, seems alright to me, but I don't think my character should be expected to pick up pure emotional emanations.
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Postby Mavsfan911 » Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:51 am

Alright, maybe I just slow as usual, but how do you show actual action? It's a little hard to RP without showing action...
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Postby The Industriallist » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:41 am

tThat's what the **'s are for. Except for actions that can actually be taken through the cantr interface.

The point of dispute on **'s is whether stating character thoughts (or emotions) that you want people to notice for RP reasons is proper.
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Postby Mavsfan911 » Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:54 am

Ah, so the action is fine...So how would someone going about showing emotion, or feelings?
Or would the chars not do this at all?
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Postby cantrpotatoe » Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:01 am

Just imagine that the characters are stone blocks that cant feel or do anything... maybe that would help with this whole discussion.... well..maybe not... but it sounded good at the moment...
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Postby SekoETC » Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:19 pm

I guess all my charries should keep a diary, there's so much things going on inside them that it's hard to keep it a secret. I have noticed some players cannot realize that even though they can see what another character is thinking, their character can't. Must be the same people who shout in the movies "Don't go in there, the killer is there!!" Though most charries out there are stone blocks, they shouldn't be, life is not like that. Me, being a bit of an Asperger person, have hard time spotting feelings unless they are exaggerated but I know they are there. Sometimes it feels like others are reading my mind because I don't know how exactly I express myself. I think in rp people should express feelings more because in the Net many things are confusing, for example when people are kidding I think they are serious, and many times I think they're mad when they are not.
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Postby Missy » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:23 pm

The trick to the emotion's expressed in ** Is finding people who understand that just because they are in ** doesn't mean your char knows it for sure, but can perhaps sense it. I don't believe there is a specific rule that says this isn't allowed. Otherwise we'd have to crack down on the descriptive words for actions as well, such as *Frowns sadly.*

If you are able to find someone who is able to rp emotions without allowing their character to abuse the knowledge of the ** all the more power to you. Be hesitant to rp those things aloud or otherwise you will find yourself in a situation where someone thinks he hears your characters thoughts just because you have typed them. You'll have to rp yourself out of it. I know this from experience.

Some people will tend to disagree with me, that thoughts or emotions aren't needed to express a true feeling. But I'm inclined as always to disagree. You could frown sadly and my character would see that you frowned sadly, but to what extent? Saying that *Frowns sadly, as though he'd just lost all worth* Lets me see more how your character is looking. It doesn't at all give my own character an ability to know what yours is really feeling and so my character ~STILL~ must ask, but at least it grasps the depth of the look on your chars face. If I knew you well in real life and you *Frowned sadly as though you'd just lost all worth.* I'd be intuitive to your emotion. If you just frowned sadly, I would still know the depth of it. But as seko has said, its rather quite differant on the internet since there is no visual aid.

Using the words *He wondered if he should have really said that.* Doesn't tell me what your character is t hinking either. It expresses my character will sense some hesitation of some sort or not if they are not attentive and knowledgable about how you act in given situations.

When people RP this properly which in most cases, if you find someone who does RP this way, they never use what is in those ** thoughts/emotions to their advantage, but to their characters intuition which should already be there. It's not a basis to give your character special powers as intuition is not a special power. Intuition is the natural abilty to sense things, not the super natural.
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Postby Jos Elkink » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:45 pm

west wrote:In referencing Krif Hills, it's been stated many times that you can't put action marks on something that can't clearly be seen, like, *hopes nobody realizes she's talking to herself* or something. Action marks are for expressing emotions or describing something, like *grins* *salutes*, or something that there's no actual game function for but is still a function of normal communication.


I fully agree here, and thus slightly deviate from Missy's point of view. The interpretation should not be included. Why someone frowns sadly you cannot just know, you could only know this if you know more about the person and his/her background.

So, please, restrict this 'RP-ing' (which I find an odd name, as it suggests the rest in Cantr is not roleplaying) to facial expressions and gestures.
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Postby Missy » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:58 pm

I buckle. :lol: Theres the answer. Above.
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Postby west » Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:25 pm

Just to add my $.02, I'd say that *feels confused* is a no-no, but *looks confused* is fine.

To use that example. We know what somebody who looks confused looks like, but not necessarily one who feels confused.

I agree with Jos.
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Postby SekoETC » Thu Sep 16, 2004 8:01 pm

You have looks, seems and appears.. Ok, that would be enough. Using looks several times in a sentence looks weird though. And the problem of people who have been roleplaying in chatrooms (=me, who else) is that posting oneliners feels like a crime. If you cannot use a couple of sentences to describe an expression, it's no use posting at all.
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