Obama won!

[fishfin]

I think that being the president is probably just about the hardest job in the world. No matter what you do there are going to be people who find problems with you. And most likely you won't be considered to have been a good president until years after your death.

I've noticed a lot of people saying (or implying) that the southern states only didn't go for Obama because all the white people down there are to prejudiced to vote for an african american. The main reason I don't think that that is true is because those states almost always vote republican because of their higher Christian populations (a lot Christians vote republican because of pro-life or anti-womans-right's and other theological issues, but there are some vote the other way because of anti-war theological thinking, or other issues).

If I was old enough to vote I probably would have voted for McCain just because I interpret the Bible to say that life starts before birth (possibly even before conception) and that abortion is killing human life. But Obama being elected is no where near the end of the world, he is better than McCain in many ways, like on the death penalty. No one is perfect, voters just have to decide what issues they care about most.

[SekoETC]

Just because Christians think the embryo has a soul from the moment of conception doesn't mean they should be allowed to tell atheists not to have an abortion. It should be every woman's personal choice if they're gonna keep the baby or not.

In my thoughts having an unwanted child and being bitter over it makes the kid's life awful and you are sort of killing his spirit when you're telling him you were an accident and I didn't want you to be born, so that's worse than killing a fetus who has no consciousness. But people should also accept that sex makes babies, especially if you don't use a condom.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't get an abortion even if I got pregnant accidentally but other people are free to choose the way that feels good for them.

It's especially awful when people get pregnant from rape, even more so if the person is a minor and the rapist is a family member. It happened on this one CSI episode. I'm sure in cases like that if the victim gets an abortion, the death of the embryo will be the rapist's fault because it was never supposed to be conceived in the first place.

I haven't slept in 24 and a half hours so I may be a bit difficult to follow, sorry about that.

[Torkess_theCommie]

Did I mention I hate Canada? Not because of any real reason. My family on my grandmothers side lives there and they don't speak English. Well its more like I don't speak French but what ever.

Great use of the underestimated word "hate". People throw that around way too much.

I <b>dislike</b> Canada then!

My feelings are hurt.

Ou est la piscine?

[Dudel]

Okay where do I start? How about the 'first' one?

I think that being the president is probably just about the hardest job in the world. No matter what you do there are going to be people who find problems with you. And most likely you won't be considered to have been a good president until years after your death.

I've noticed a lot of people saying (or implying) that the southern states only didn't go for Obama because all the white people down there are to prejudiced to vote for an african american. The main reason I don't think that that is true is because those states almost always vote republican because of their higher Christian populations (a lot Christians vote republican because of pro-life or anti-womans-right's and other theological issues, but there are some vote the other way because of anti-war theological thinking, or other issues).

Being a leader of anything is a big pain in the ass. Someone's alway bitching about something stupid and trivial but since they are the loud one's they get what they wan't. You get people like me that just say 'Aw F it, I don't care' and when stuff starts to bother we eithor get louder then the other people or if you really are like me. You honestly do not care!

Okay now I'm going to irritate, but here goes.

Christans are natorious for being racist, closed minded, and ignorant. I also did not say or imply anything about voting. My statement was about how the country is run as a whoal and by whom. Voting isn't even rellivent to our government if you know that the electoral collage is. It was restablished after Johnson I think, so the 'little people' vote doesn't count.

Do not think I am attacking I am simply stating something I 'feal' to be true. I'm not attacking you or your beliefs. (Well, kinda I am)

Just because Christians think the embryo has a soul from the moment of conception doesn't mean they should be allowed to tell atheists not to have an abortion. It should be every woman's personal choice if they're gonna keep the baby or not.

In my thoughts having an unwanted child and being bitter over it makes the kid's life awful and you are sort of killing his spirit when you're telling him you were an accident and I didn't want you to be born, so that's worse than killing a fetus who has no consciousness.

I'm pro choice. Being male, I feal that I don't have the right to tell any female to do anything to her body that she doen't want or does wan't done. Also my brain says that untill that thing breaths air it aint human. Its a frog!

My feelings are hurt.

Dont't be upset when I'm being a d-bag. It's not becoming of a lady to let simple or trivial things bother them.

Well thoese are my thoughts and like Seko its really late/early and I'ma tired so things are spelt wrong and my grammer is proly suffering.

P.S. Don't get upset because I say something. Just do what my family does and ignore me. If you irk me I'll definattly ignore you. (No one irk'd me just saying)

[formerly known as hf]

Error. Unknown word combination "good" and "leader".

QFT (c.f. sig below)

Obama and the democrats may well do some good for the US, and will be a welcome change. But no matter how you look at it, you are being ruled by an elite. A group of (mostly) white, upper class men who are out for their own interests.

Despite Obama's 'story' as the misty-cataract-eyed american dream of achieving anything through your own hard work and personal sacrifice, his 'of the people for the people, by the people' speech was nonsense.

He has a lot of work if he truly believes he can make his administration 'of the people', as, for now, and as it has been for many, many years, it is, like most western ''Democracies'' a government ruled in favour of the elite - those with wealth and power who are only interested in the perpetuation of that self-same wealth and power.

Whatsmore, this is not something I believe can be changed from within. The moment you become a politician - you are a member of that elite. Your wages are well, well above the average of any other public servant, and obtain a seductive and excessive power.

[SekoETC]

What it politicians were put to live in dormitories and had to eat grub that was boiled in a big kettle and maybe wear togas made or bedsheets? That should cut down the costs.

[Dudel]

Obama and the democrats may well do some good for the US, and will be a welcome change. But no matter how you look at it, you are being ruled by an elite. A group of (mostly) white, upper class men who are out for their own interests.

Despite Obama's 'story' as the misty-cataract-eyed american dream of achieving anything through your own hard work and personal sacrifice, his 'of the people for the people, by the people' speech was nonsense.

He has a lot of work if he truly believes he can make his administration 'of the people', as, for now, and as it has been for many, many years, it is, like most western ''Democracies'' a government ruled in favour of the elite - those with wealth and power who are only interested in the perpetuation of that self-same wealth and power.

Whatsmore, this is not something I believe can be changed from within. The moment you become a politician - you are a member of that elite. Your wages are well, well above the average of any other public servant, and obtain a seductive and excessive power.

Thats what Dudel was trying to say. Except I pointed fingers. You said it much better.

What it politicians were put to live in dormitories and had to eat grub that was boiled in a big kettle and maybe wear togas made or bedsheets? That should cut down the costs.

[Missy]

I can't answer the poll.


I have concerns. In his victory speech he said, "we have a long/hard road," but our people have this tendency to ignore that. You hear on the news (and I don't know how much news will play a role in trying to make things worse/or not trying to by playing on peoples so called "expectations,") about how the "american people have high expectations.

How can you have high-expectations so soon after the election and yet KNOW we have a hard/long road?

My fear is that people will expect some SUDDEN change to happen almost immediately and when it doesn't, they will lose faith and become disappointed much too fast. Ultimately that would be really bad for not only Obama but the Democratic party. And I personally don't feel that we could turn this country around unless we control the government with left leaning people and policy for at least 3 terms.


If this is to really work, the Obama supporters will realize the fight isn't over and they will continue to raise their voices about issues. Even if you have to go stand at a Republican Governor's office and protest in high numbers with voices that can't be quieted.