Michael Moore

[thingnumber2]

making guns illegal most certainly will not lower deaths or crime significantly...it's crazy people who kill people, not guns...if I bought a gun, that doesn't make me kill people...

[Lone Wolf]

You can compare population all you want. We have half the people that the US does, but the live in 1/4 of the ammount of the area that the US does. Canada is larger that the US, but most of the population lives in the lower half. Also, the most popuated area in Canada is in and around Toronto, and Windsor, Ontario.

I think the biggest difference is the choices people make and how easy it is to get a hand gun in the US. I'm not saying you should regulate all guns or make all guns illegal, but do you really need a 9mm to hunt? Give me a 30-30 any time.
But that is just my opinion

[Missy]

I have not yet seen Bowling for Columbine.

I do feel that guns shouldn't be restircted for the same reason that has been stated twice. If govt becomes unstoppable we wouldn't have any means to stop em.

I don't feel it is ALWAYS the people behind the gun that are to blame. But more than 50% of the time for sure. But the more that you have people doing that, the more you will have people running around looking to buy a gun because they fear the guy with a gun already. The .."Im gonna get you before you get me" kind of thing.
Throwing members of street gangs in jail then letting them out isn't going to make them change their lives around. I don't believe. Something needs to be done to reduce it and making laws about guns wont stop it either, because laws get broken.

You have to get to the heart of the problem. It lies with in parents who do not CARE enough about their children to use tuff love. And by tuff love I don't mean saying no, then watching your teen walk out the front door defiantly and saying "i did my best" because there are still other options available to you. Such as Children Youth Services, Scared strait programs, juvenile probation, counciling etc. It's time for parents to stop thinking that throwing their kids out on the street where that childs problem is someone elses then, and start giving them a shove in the right direction.

It lies with in schools where there are cliques, and some child who doesn't wear designer clothes gets picked on because his parents can only afford walmart brand clothes. It's not the child who picked up the gun that has the problem. Its the parents who don't know that their kids are giving another child in school a problem-- that are the cause of that other child picking up that gun and blowing the heads of his fellow classmates. Because those parents never taught their children it wasn't nice to call names. Maybe some of ya never felt the wrath of 20 some odd students putting you in a corner and doing some of the most hateful things you've ever felt---every single day of your life. Your parents went to the school and complained about these other kids who wouldn't leave you alone and nothing ....NOTHING was done. Even if you didn't feel it, you probably have seen it, and some of you were that one person who did say something. Or some of you just walked by and said nothing at all. Or maybe you were one of the 20. Granted picking up a gun to make all your problems go away isn't going to help, but when you're fifteen you don't exactly know that. But when you are fifteen you DO know how to be hurtful and that it's not right, but you don't care so long as you remain in the cliquie, just to save yourself from being subjected from the very treatment you dish out. Again----Parents need to know what their children are doing.
And closely related....

Parents need to have their firearms locked up. Sure. Kids can hunt. Im from PA. When people hunt there, PEOPLE hunt. Buck season and doe, noones in school! But not all young kids can decide for themselves whether or not they are making the right choice when picking up a gun. To be safe....keep them locked up EVEN if your child has taken the hunters safety course. Sorry. If your son even seemed to be responsible with a gun while huntin and you swore up and down he'd never use it inappropriately ....You don't know that he will or wont. And if he shot someone, you'd sure feel sorry, and all that you thought wouldn't matter anymore.

Thats where some of the problems are. We live in a society right now where everyone has one, and noones parents care anymore. We're breeding and just letting ourselves pretend that the things we do are alright. OH it's okay if I didn't do exactly EVERYTHING to get my child to stop...It's okay if i give up because its someone elses problem now, not mine. (And calling cys doesn't mean your child isn't your problem anymore. it means your asking for help ..and since when does that mean there is something wrong because you do?) And OH MY JOHNNY would never pick on someone....he's an angel. Oh, and my daughter is the most responsible thing there is, she'd never pick up a gun, she's harmless.

For adults...I believe its much more complex. And I couldn't give my opinion on why they do what they do completely. But I can say that some people have a problem differentiating whats real and what's not. Some people think they're invincible. Some people don't ask for help when they know they need it because they think they can get through everything...like some sort of superman or fear that if they do seek help they are weak. If someone goes home and finds their spouse in bed with a nother and they shoot the the two committing adultry....if you ask me the shoooter had problems long before he picked up that gun, and HE/SHE should have gotten help long before that. I think people need to stop feeling like going to a psychiatrist is a bad thing.

BUT these are just opinons of course!!!

[thingnumber2]

You make good points there...although some parents don't know their kids are bullys, and some don't know their kids are bullied, and some just don't care either way thinking it's all part of growing up...

[Missy]

Yeah exactly my point. They should know! They should take the steps to know THEIR child and they SHOULD care.

[west]

About guns:


I think some of this is ridiculous. My dad owns something like 5 guns...a 30-30, a .22, a 20 guage shotgun, a 9mm turkish Mauser from WWII, and a .22 handgun. The handgun he bought for my mom when we moved out to the sticks. For protection. She never uses it.

He hunts with the rifles and shotgun. Deer. We eat a lot of venison, and it's mmm, mmm, good.

That being said, I don't think it's unreasonable to require a 3 day waiting period to buy a handgun, nor do i think it's unreasonable to ban assault weapons. If you're buying a gun, and you need it NOW, you're probably rather angry about something and need to cool down. Also, you can't hunt with assault weapons. Ruins the meat.

So really, they're only for killing people. Hence the term 'assault'.

I think the fact that people like the NRA are fighting even these little gun restrictions is unbelievable. Guns don't kill people, idiots with assault rifles and handguns kill people.

To paraphrase Eddie Izzard. "They say guns don't kill people, people kill people. But you know? I think the gun helps, I really do. Don't think too many people are going to die if you just point your finger at them and go BANG BANG"

[new.vogue.nightmare]

I think the biggest difference is the choices people make and how easy it is to get a hand gun in the US. I'm not saying you should regulate all guns or make all guns illegal, but do you really need a 9mm to hunt? Give me a 30-30 any time.
But that is just my opinion

You may not need it to hunt, but we aren't all Sev, and sometimes we may just need to persuade a mugger or other criminal to go elsewhere.

[rklenseth]

About guns:


I think some of this is ridiculous. My dad owns something like 5 guns...a 30-30, a .22, a 20 guage shotgun, a 9mm turkish Mauser from WWII, and a .22 handgun. The handgun he bought for my mom when we moved out to the sticks. For protection. She never uses it.

He hunts with the rifles and shotgun. Deer. We eat a lot of venison, and it's mmm, mmm, good.

That being said, I don't think it's unreasonable to require a 3 day waiting period to buy a handgun, nor do i think it's unreasonable to ban assault weapons. If you're buying a gun, and you need it NOW, you're probably rather angry about something and need to cool down. Also, you can't hunt with assault weapons. Ruins the meat.

So really, they're only for killing people. Hence the term 'assault'.

I think the fact that people like the NRA are fighting even these little gun restrictions is unbelievable. Guns don't kill people, idiots with assault rifles and handguns kill people.

To paraphrase Eddie Izzard. "They say guns don't kill people, people kill people. But you know? I think the gun helps, I really do. Don't think too many people are going to die if you just point your finger at them and go BANG BANG"

But the things is though that the government has assault rifles and criminal still get their hands on assault rifles whether it is regulated, or against the law. Both can easily trample your rights. Try fighting them with a .22 Rifle. In the end it won't be enough.

The 2nd Amendment gives us the right to bear arms and to organize a militia for the purposes of protecting ourselves against criminals or even the government should it decide to trample your other rights and freedoms and way of life.

[The Hunter]

Lol. You guy's are pretty paranoia about UR government.
But do you guy's think that with a stricter gun regulation, the incident in Columbine would have happened?

Oh, and not only the 3rd reich banned firearms. The Nehterlands aswell. but we don't believe our govt. is going to trample us, heh, the other way around maybe.
I'm not saying there's no gun related crime in holland, but the fact is, it's a lot less, and those using guns are hardcore criminals. The numbers of gun related crime is rising rather rapidly the last few yers, but most of the rgowth has been caused by yougoslavians with acces to firearms. Shooting someone is the last thing a Dutchman thinks of. And guns are damn hard to come by here.

But I'd like to have the mauser yeah. Got a WWII rifle here, barrel filled with metal, alas, but it definatly looks cool.

[rklenseth]

Lol. You guy's are pretty paranoia about UR government.
But do you guy's think that with a stricter gun regulation, the incident in Columbine would have happened?

Oh, and not only the 3rd reich banned firearms. The Nehterlands aswell. but we don't believe our govt. is going to trample us, heh, the other way around maybe.
I'm not saying there's no gun related crime in holland, but the fact is, it's a lot less, and those using guns are hardcore criminals. The numbers of gun related crime is rising rather rapidly the last few yers, but most of the rgowth has been caused by yougoslavians with acces to firearms. Shooting someone is the last thing a Dutchman thinks of. And guns are damn hard to come by here.

But I'd like to have the mauser yeah. Got a WWII rifle here, barrel filled with metal, alas, but it definatly looks cool.

Yes, I believe the massacres would have still occurred considering they got the guns from dealers who got them off the black market.

If you are under 18 you cannot buy most fire arms (ie. Rifles and Shotguns). You cannot buy a handgun until you are 21 and have a permit. About the only thing that you can buy under 18 is a bow and arrow of which you can do quite a bit of damage with if you know what you are doing. Also, you need to be 18 to buy paintball guns or the products for paintball. I think air rifles can be bought under 18 but I'm not too sure of that. It might change from place to place due to local and state laws.

[bignife]

I agree with Michael Moore most of the time, with guns i don't think they should necessarily be banned, but at least control them better, there is no reason for it to be legal to carry a concealed weapon, or to own an assult rifle

[David]

I don't know where I am on the issue exactly. But I can sometimes spot weak pillars in arguments and red herrings.

The idea of being able to stop the government with guns that are allowed is rediculous. What most people have in terms of guns v. what the government has is like putting up a sling shot up against an AK-47.
If any real militia movement gained too much influence in America they wouldn't have a Palestinian's Chance in Israel... unless the militia movement gained the support of the military, which in that case it wouldn't matter if guns were banned or not.

The hunting argument is valid for allowing gun ownership and the decrease in fatal crime is a valid argument for gun control. But the "stop the government" argument is redicilous, for the reasons stated above. Besides, its multinational corporations that run the world not governments...

[David]

As far is Micheal Moore is concerned. He is simply repackaging a given viewpoint (agree or disagree with it) for the masses... as a lot of political hacks do of any political persuasion. People tend to gravitate to loud voices and contraversial emotional statements more readily then well-balanced discourse. It's a genre of political satire that is accessible to anyone. It is of the self-deprecating plain-spoken variety, nothing more nothing less...

I don't personally hate Michael Moore as I don't personally hate the Bush family. People are a product of their enviornment.

[new.vogue.nightmare]

Lol. You guy's are pretty paranoia about UR government.
But do you guy's think that with a stricter gun regulation, the incident in Columbine would have happened?

Oh, and not only the 3rd reich banned firearms. The Nehterlands aswell. but we don't believe our govt. is going to trample us, heh, the other way around maybe.
I'm not saying there's no gun related crime in holland, but the fact is, it's a lot less, and those using guns are hardcore criminals. The numbers of gun related crime is rising rather rapidly the last few yers, but most of the rgowth has been caused by yougoslavians with acces to firearms. Shooting someone is the last thing a Dutchman thinks of. And guns are damn hard to come by here.

But I'd like to have the mauser yeah. Got a WWII rifle here, barrel filled with metal, alas, but it definatly looks cool.

But of course you don't have the urge to shoot people. The Netherlands has legalized prostitution and a lot of um, substances, that are illegal in most parts of the US. So of course you're all much happier than we are XD

Yeah..the whole war on drugs thing here is a disaster...raising violent crime all over the place. Not that I don't think heroin or some of the more lethal drugs shouldn't be controlled...but marijuana? Tobacco's more dangerous than weed! So's alcohol! Both more addictive or otherwise mind-altering. Of course even if it were legal, I'm still not a smoker of the reefer. I'm more like a casual cigar person meself

[west]

In a completely different note, bestiality has been legal in Sweden since 1944, but child pr0n has only been illegal since 1999.

In another different note, just because something's legal doesn't mean it's not fücked up.

Back on topic, I don't think marijuana should be so vilified. Man, I mean, that's just their opinions, or whatever, dude.

Legalize Mary Jane--give Spiderman something to live for.