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Pirog
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Postby Pirog » Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:45 am

I agree about the use of resources, but it isn't the poor people of the world such as those found in Eastern Africa and parts of SE Asia that are doing the killings. They are people with well-to-do families in some case from wealthy nations that sell us oil.


The average Palestinian, Afghanian (is that the right term?) or Iraqi suicide bomber isn't wealthy. The people funding the organizations are, but well educated suicide bombers like the ones in UK isn't common.

And regardless, even the wealthy people might have good reasons for viewing us as evil, and we need to establish some sort of common ground with these people to end terrorism. The only other option is to learn to live with having terrorist strikes happen now and then...

Their stated purpose is the death of Israel and America...There's no way to discuss that rationally. The only solution for them is the total destruction of Israel, how does someone sit and negotiate that?


If the people supporting, protecting and joining these fundamentalists weren't in such a dire need these organizations would quickly run out of both resources and members.

Although many Palestinians surely have the destruction of the Israel as their current goal I'm sure a vast majority of them would be able to go along peaceful solutions if they saw that they got a good deal. Currently the deal the Palestinians are being offered isn't very good...

I am a big advocate of helping the poor of the world. I just spent 3 weeks dispensing that help in Kenya, personally. I lived among the poor and destitute, that is not the only motivation for what is occurring. The other factor is hate. And that is not a negotiable topic.


That is very good of you :) I'm personally planning to do voluntary work in Africa, since I see it as the continent with most dire need of aid.

I do however disagree with hate not being open for negotiations. Hate is in almost all cases born from need and suffering, and if we can find a way to eliminate these factors I'm sure we can reach a peaceful solution with them. It will be a very long, hard and costly process, but in my view it is the only way to ever stop terrorism.
(Bombs etc. will only become easier and cheaper to produce, so unless we solve the situation it will grow gradually worse over time)
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Postby Stan » Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:01 pm

Valid arguments...there may be middle ground between our arguments (ie maybe some that would negotiate and some that flat out would not).

Also, it sounded like I was patting myself on the back for the Africa thing. I didn't intend to. I apologize for that. My point was that I've seen poverty and it, alone, doesn't spawn hate.
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Postby Pirog » Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:22 am

Also, it sounded like I was patting myself on the back for the Africa thing. I didn't intend to. I apologize for that. My point was that I've seen poverty and it, alone, doesn't spawn hate.


No, it wasn't my purpose to make you feel that way. My smiley was meant as a smile of liking, not one of sarcasm :) (<----and so is this one)
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