Bows

[west]

*bows*

No, seriously. Anyone else notice the bow change?

I'm not sure how I feel about it--a longbow used to be able to shoot an arrow several hundred yards extremely accurately and with extreme force. Not what comes to mind when I visualize what it used to be called in-game.

a composite recurve bow is more what I picture for that, but apparently it's something different.

I noticed they've both been taken off the weapons list; is that because you're working on different materials requirements? Compound bows aren't very easy to make, IRL.

[rklenseth]

That is not true. A long bow is a European style bow known for its straight limbs. An English Long Bow was known for shooting long distances. The two should not be confused.

A composite recurve bow is more of an oriental style version of bow where the limb curves and then recurves giving it a name that became very popular for its accuracy during the 18th century and on until the 20th century when the compound was introuduced in the 1950s. Recurves are what you see used in Olympic Archery and Compound Bows are still banned today because of the unfair advantage they give. Composite simply means that the bow comes in parts rather than one whole piece.

A compound bow will also be introduced and yes it will be hard to build. Bows in general will be more complicated but you can consider the longbow to be the least complicated version.

For now the bows are awaiting approval for their changes. Sorry, if this causes any problems. It shouldn't affect any of the bows currently in game or currently being built except for the change in name.

[west]

That is not true. A long bow is a European style bow known for its straight limbs. An English Long Bow was known for shooting long distances. The two should not be confused.

A composite recurve bow is more of an oriental style version of bow where the limb curves and then recurves giving it a name that became very popular for its accuracy during the 18th century and on until the 20th century when the compound was introuduced in the 1950s. Recurves are what you see used in Olympic Archery and Compound Bows are still banned today because of the unfair advantage they give. Composite simply means that the bow comes in parts rather than one whole piece.

A compound bow will also be introduced and yes it will be hard to build. Bows in general will be more complicated but you can consider the longbow to be the least complicated version.

For now the bows are awaiting approval for their changes. Sorry, if this causes any problems. It shouldn't affect any of the bows currently in game or currently being built except for the change in name.

I know what compound, composite, and recurve mean, RKL, and if two things are called the same thing, how can you not confuse them?

Anyway, my point was that the bow that was renamed Compound Recurve doesn't bear much resemblance to one, and that an english longbow is more what I picture when I picture that particular, now-defunct bow name.

EDIT: Whoops, you're right. I misread Composite as compound. Right o.

Although composite usually implies that it's made out of several different materials, not just several pieces.

[SekoETC]

I noticed it just a moment ago and I thought I had gone insane... When I saw someone using a composite recurve bow, I went to check the weapons list and there was no bows at all exept crossbow... I searched trough all the menues and then the inventory of the current carry and how about that, there was two "longbow bows". Ha-ha. They should certainly announce about this kind of things beforehand, I nearly had a heart attack.

[Revanael]

I think of the hunting bow in game as a simple bow. More or less covering everything from the shortbow up to a normal simple bow.

The warbow, I thought of as covering compound and composite bows, as well as the longbow.

[rklenseth]

I might create primitive bow with would simply be a stick and animal (or even human) sinew. But the way I'm doing this is how it advanced through history as far as Western nations. Longbow was the orginal European style bow (except early primitive cavemen bows) and was replaced with a Western version of the oriental recurve which has since be replaced by the Compound Bow.

In Archery, composite means a bow made from several pieces that can easily be taken apart which is often what a recurve bow is like though it comes as a composite as well as a one piece version.

I teach Archery so I sort of how this works and the evolution of the bow throughout history. A 90Ib Compound Bow is as dangerous if not more dangerous and deadly than any gun. The problem is that you need to know how to use it. Recurve is the next step up because it supposedly more accurate than a longbow while the longbow is the next step down and after that would be primitive cavemen bows.

[rklenseth]

That is not true. A long bow is a European style bow known for its straight limbs. An English Long Bow was known for shooting long distances. The two should not be confused.

A composite recurve bow is more of an oriental style version of bow where the limb curves and then recurves giving it a name that became very popular for its accuracy during the 18th century and on until the 20th century when the compound was introuduced in the 1950s. Recurves are what you see used in Olympic Archery and Compound Bows are still banned today because of the unfair advantage they give. Composite simply means that the bow comes in parts rather than one whole piece.

A compound bow will also be introduced and yes it will be hard to build. Bows in general will be more complicated but you can consider the longbow to be the least complicated version.

For now the bows are awaiting approval for their changes. Sorry, if this causes any problems. It shouldn't affect any of the bows currently in game or currently being built except for the change in name.

I know what compound, composite, and recurve mean, RKL, and if two things are called the same thing, how can you not confuse them?

Anyway, my point was that the bow that was renamed Compound Recurve doesn't bear much resemblance to one, and that an english longbow is more what I picture when I picture that particular, now-defunct bow name.

EDIT: Whoops, you're right. I misread Composite as compound. Right o.

Although composite usually implies that it's made out of several different materials, not just several pieces.

Hunting Bow has been changed to longbow due to the material needed which is very close to the same material. A War Bow has been changed to Composite Recurve Bow because War Bow required iron so since the Composite Recurve was the hardest to make next to a Compound Bow I changed it to this. While making a Compound to up near a crossbow (and crossbow will also be changed in time; I haven't gotten that far yet). There will also be a Recurve Bow which will be the one piece version which will in between Longbow and Composite Recurve.

[rklenseth]

http://library.thinkquest.org/27344/media/recurvedbow.jpg
(image won't work so I had to link)

This would be a one piece recurve bow.



This is a composite recurve bow.



This is a longbow.



And this is a compound bow.

[The Industriallist]

Ok, but could you possibly un-disable the lynchpin weapons of the pre-steel age until your changes are worked out? Hunting bows and war bows are the essential weapons of their respective tech levels...

I agree that more complicated bows will be a good thing. Maybe make horn a resource? I think it was used in compound bows. Also that glue I mentioned a while back.

[rklenseth]

Ok, but could you possibly un-disable the lynchpin weapons of the pre-steel age until your changes are worked out? Hunting bows and war bows are the essential weapons of their respective tech levels...

I agree that more complicated bows will be a good thing. Maybe make horn a resource? I think it was used in compound bows. Also that glue I mentioned a while back.

Bows should be back in a few days with changes such as need of certains tools and broken down into certain parts sort of like what was done with the swords. None except the Compound Bow will require steel or iron.

[The Sociologist]

Bows should be back in a few days with changes such as need of certains tools and broken down into certain parts sort of like what was done with the swords. None except the Compound Bow will require steel or iron.

Aha! The bows won't require iron... what about the tools? 'cause if even the tools need iron then we're coming after yous... armed with our bone clubs and banana launchers.

Workers of the Forests Unite!

And "a few days" is defined...? As per the dictionary of common English, or the dictionary of computing?

Also she used the word "should". Uh Oh
.

[Antichrist_Online]

Composite bows can be pretty rubbish, I have an indian one and it has ridiculous accuracy and power compared to my all yew longbow and my Yumi.

[rklenseth]

Bows should be back in a few days with changes such as need of certains tools and broken down into certain parts sort of like what was done with the swords. None except the Compound Bow will require steel or iron.

Aha! The bows won't require iron... what about the tools? 'cause if even the tools need iron then we're coming after yous... armed with our bone clubs and banana launchers.

Workers of the Forests Unite!

And "a few days" is defined...? As per the dictionary of common English, or the dictionary of computing?

Also she used the word "should". Uh Oh
.

No, the tools won't be made out steel or iron. Trust me.

[rklenseth]

Composite bows can be pretty rubbish, I have an indian one and it has ridiculous accuracy and power compared to my all yew longbow and my Yumi.

Probably just the type of composite bow you have. Is it a recurve composite bow? The best thing about a composite bow is that when a limb breaks you can simply replace just the limb rather the entire bow. And it is a guarantee that a limb or something on a bow will break and need replacing.

If you want to talk about bows in real life we can take this to the Non-Cantr Forum. I train people to shoot so if you need some tips I can give some or if you are having a particular problem. Usually it is the person behind the bow, not the bow, that is shooting badly.

[Antichrist_Online]

I was just pointing out that not all composite bows were better.
In real life I'm a weapon smith/flecher/bowyer/armourer as well as a user of various weapons, so this is a subject close to my heart.
The composite bow is a native american recurve, but it's only a 50lb bow compared to the 120lb longbow and 130lb Yumi. I use western archery and Kyudo in my shooting both hunting and targets. It really is the bow that is the weak part of the chain.

I've also made a non-cantr topic to discuss our various combat equipments. Maybe we'll get some tips from each other.