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Re: Family problems and cantr
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:52 am
by Rmak
Alutka wrote:Oh, wow, this whole discussion makes me sick. In some way you guys are even worse than ps666. You act like a bunch of stalkers trying to purposefully hurt his feelings IRL. It's... Just wrong. It looks like typical internet violence, and based on what? Some actions he took in game. Do you really feel so much better than he is? He just did some shit in game, you are doing some shit in real life, lynchmobbing him.
I may not like the way he plays, it may even make me sick, but ffs it still stays IG. IG violence is nothing comparing to bullying someone in real life.
but rape is fun
or not.
Yeah the IG motivations of a character have nothing to do with the player...with separate characters on what appears to be several different occasions, notes and that blog post
. the fact it seems to disgust so many people (though feminists beating up poor men
) should maybe um make him stop and think.
He wanted opinions and get got them without the sugar coating. Got a problem with my views then go and visit a victim centre and maybe bring this conversation up there. The thought of anyone raping anyone in a game disgusts me so yeah... he wanted thoughts on should his family be concerned then I think they should be.
Re: Family problems and cantr
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:03 am
by Alutka
My point is, that with those posts you've done more harm to ps666,than he has ever done to any player by raping their char.
Stalking someone by digging up their old blog etc. definitely makes me more sick, that the idea of someone enjoying playing a serial rapist.
Re: Family problems and cantr
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:06 am
by fireintherye
Rmak wrote:The thought of anyone raping anyone in a game disgusts me so yeah.
I think this is part of my problem with the accusations and conversation. Again, I will state that I think playerslayer does not fully understand the notion of rape (through his words here and through him calling our character interaction a rape). However, I'm pushing that aside to say this....
I'd probably just as irritated with the in game rape 'victims'. (Not all, but many.) I've seen probably three such situations in my 4-5 months playing. In EVERY case, the 'victim' was not in a locked room, pretended to be okay with the situation, then after all was said and done... ran around screaming rape. I feel like the 'victims' are not victims at all. They purposefully put themselves in the 'situations', allow them to be played out, and then use them to manipulate, gain pity, and be the center of attention. Then... everyone accuses the 'rapist' character of being the one to be concerned about.
In these circumstances, I can't (as a player) feel any pity for the 'victim'. The players of these characters obviously wanted to play those scenes out.
So for everyone to be throwing a fit about such role play... there is more than one guilty party to be upset with, in my opinion. (If you insist on being upset, I mean. Personally, I see it that both parties consented, so there is no harm done and no reason to be concerned. It's a wide stretch to assume that characters in game are assumed by their player in real life. I have a murderess, but I would never murder anyone in real life. It's a role-playing game. Not a self-simulator game.)
Alutka wrote:My point is, that with those posts you've done more harm to ps666,than he has ever done to any player by raping their char.
Stalking someone by digging up their old blog etc. definitely makes me more sick, that the idea of someone enjoying playing a serial rapist.
I don't know if I agree full-heartedly with the last statement, but I did think it a little cruel to dig that up as well. Especially seeing as it was written 2 years ago. A lot can happen in 2 years.
Re: Family problems and cantr
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:08 am
by fireintherye
whoops. I need to learn to work these forums.
Re: Family problems and cantr
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:56 am
by Kyriel
Let me try to explain one thing, and perhaps clarify a few things. Some people react very badly to any mention of rape, even OOC-consensual in-game in-character rape. It's a seriously triggering issue for some people. It does not make people terrible people for not liking the idea of rape, in any form, even as a fantasy -- unfortunately, by the context of the game, a fantasy that they might stumble into without warning. Not just in actuality in the event of someone actually raping their character, but in seeing mentions of it in notes. People really need to put some sort of warning on explicit notes, but I digress.
If ps666's behavior has caused someone to have a panic attack, severely triggered them, or the like, this does not make it better than being mean to someone on a forum. And I'll be honest here -- I have had such attacks from dealing with his characters. I don't think I'm the only one. This wasn't regarding rape, however, but for a cringe-worthy and ignorant depiction of a mental illness that I suffer from. This isn't something anyone could warn people about. This might say that he's more interested in his characters' gimmicks than in how other players might react to them, but I don't believe any malice was intended. Ignorance, not malice.
And may I please request that people refrain from victim-blaming, on either side of this debate? There are some serious unfortunate implications with saying that someone was asking for it and that they shouldn't complain about it. And on the other hand... if someone is allowed to play a rapist, why shouldn't someone be allowed to accuse someone of rape, whether it's true or not? It's all IC, right? This is sarcasm... to an extent. But you can't say that one is okay but the other isn't.
And rape should be taken as a serious matter, even if it's textual. Saying that it's funny isn't cool.
Re: Family problems and cantr
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:19 am
by ObsessedWithCats
If every single one of ps666's encounters has been like fireintherye's description, then that's fine. I can recognise why his family would have a problem but I don't think said problem would be justified in that case.
It sounds to me like in actuality there's been inconsistency in whether the NCS rule has been followed, and if that's the case it's not OK, but that's PD's place to judge not mine.
Given the potential word-choice/definition problems I've not going to dig any deeper, except so say that rape and funny by their dictionary definitions will never even approach one another in my mind.
Re: Family problems and cantr
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:26 am
by Optimus Christ
If one were to be triggered by any character's actions, it is not on them to stop if rules are not being broken. Not victim blaming, yet how dare anyone try to take his choices away? The rules are there for a reason, not to pacify any trigger warning. If it's that much, and it relates to a Rape Scenario, then tell the individual ooc that you choose not to go through with it. No one is forcing you to RP with any character, and there is a lot of it. No doubt a lot of characters choose not to RP with mine, or downright degrade them. As long as there is no OOC motivations, then I couldn't care less. Everyone is different.
Re: Family problems and cantr
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:36 am
by Alutka
Kyriel, I fully agree with you. But if none of the players who encountered him had any complaints about 'being raped', then it means m that he apparently handles it well without hurting anyone feelings. If some had complaints, then it's for PD to solve that.
Either way lynch mob is not right, and that is how this discussion started to look like.
Makes me cringe when I think that all those words that had been said might have triggered for example panic attack for ps666 (I definitely would feel a bit panicked if you guys suddenly started digging my old blogs etc.) Those words were purposefully hurtful, and people knew exacly what they were doing by writing them. It bugs me. It's cruelty irl.
Re: Family problems and cantr
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:17 am
by SekoETC
I used to play two rapists back when the NCS rule didn't exist. Sometimes the chemistries worked out with the victim, sometimes it clashed. I miss the times when the chemistries worked out. I don't want to offend players even if I was molesting their characters. One of my rapists characters had the tendecy to talk too much during sex, sometimes reassuring it would be easier on the victim if she played along. At least two times they believed him. One fought back so much that he was offering to release her. Both rapists had ingame motivations for doing what they did. It stems out of a level of frustration and inability to see things from the perspective of one's victims.
I originally created one of my rapist characters based on a guy who took advantage of me in real life. He said he would buy me a drink, but instead we ended up having sex in a public bathroom. Afterwards he walked away before I could even put my clothes back on. I felt used and had a shower as soon as I got back to the hotel. I don't know if it would've felt more right if he had bought me that drink he promised. Later on a female character did the same thing to one of my characters - sex indoors, then walk out and leave town. I find that a form of abuse.
Re: Family problems and cantr
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:45 am
by Marian
Besides the OOC consent issues, the main thing that's riling people up here is the repeated insistence by more than one player now that rape is funny and hilarious, and that anyone who doesn't think so must be some kind of contemptible 'feminist'.
It's disgusting, and offensive all on its own even before those RL attitudes get reflected in characters ours then have to deal with in game, and does it really have to be explained why people are upset?
Re: Family problems and cantr
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:54 am
by Optimus Christ
Marian wrote:Besides the OOC consent issues, the main thing that's riling people up here is the repeated insistence by more than one player now that rape is funny and hilarious, and that anyone who doesn't think so must be some kind of contemptible 'feminist'.
It's disgusting, and offensive all on its own even before those RL attitudes get reflected in characters ours then have to deal with in game, and does it really have to be explained why people are upset?
As I explained before, I thought it was funny that people were butting their nose in, digging up blogs from two years ago, when Player got consent by word of a player, who most of their chars interacted with his. When it's none of their business. Get your facts straight.
Re: Family problems and cantr
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:59 am
by iavatus
Optimus Christ wrote:Get your facts straight.
Says the person who acknowledges he can't scroll up or remember what he posted half an hour previously. Look to your own backyard first, buckaroo.
Re: Family problems and cantr
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:01 am
by Marian
here i'll help
Optimus Christ wrote:
If the rules are followed, then as a RPG, and IC, I think its freaking hilarious.
Re: Family problems and cantr
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:01 am
by Optimus Christ
iavatus wrote:Optimus Christ wrote:Get your facts straight.
Says the person who acknowledges he can't scroll up or remember what he posted half an hour ago. Look to your own backyard first, buckaroo.
And I apologized for that one..buckaroo.
Re: Family problems and cantr
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:02 am
by Optimus Christ
Optimus Christ wrote:What I personally mean by hilarious, I that if consent is gotten, and then role-played, everyone feels a need to protest against it when it was two people consenting to a scene in a game. Not the actual rape itself. Its the fact people are butting in where they don't belong.