Cantr II Discussion Forum

Cantr II has been in a long battle with trying to keep an English Wikipedia article since at least 2006. I need other people to help with getting Wikipedia to accept the article.
Where the Cantr II article should be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantr_II
Where it is right now (feel free to edit this!): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Joshu ... Cantr_II_2
We need to convince Wikipedia that Cantr II is notable and has information about it from reliable sources. The article also must not look like an advertisement.

Message from the admin who recently deleted the article:

Hello. Thank you for your message.

Cantr II was deleted because it was similar to the article that was deleted in 2006, and because it didn't address the problems that were identified during the 2006 deletion discussion. Specifically, there is no indication that Cantr II satisfies WP:WEB.

Since you asked for a copy of the article, I've restored it to User:Joshuamonkey/Cantr II 2. When you're finished with it, tag it with {{db-u1}} and it will be deleted. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:09, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

What Cantr needs to satisfy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WEB
Deletion discussion from 2006: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: ... n/Cantr_II
Other information about deleting Wikipedia articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Malik ... y_Deletion

The only way around this is to have an outside website review Cantr. To make that happen, we'll need to start asking around for reviews, and then be prepared to take whatever lumps we get.

LAst time, did we use all those sites where you can vote for cantr from your account page? There's like twenty ...And that was one of the criteria last time around, reliable sources, though are pretty well established websites.

I don't necessarily think that we need an outside website to look at it I just think we need to delete everything about gameplay(interface, scenario, gameplay-but not language), leave the stuff about Jos, and only have a quiick blurb about it being text based mmorpg..


I think the critical evalutation should be removed, too. So Keep: Intro blurb, language section under playing, Community structure, and the references and external links. I'm pretty sure that'll bring us closer to acceptance, since it takes away all mention of the gameplay that wikipedia wants us to stay away from to satisfy their criteria. it all sounds ad-y to me.

Actually, not even all of the language section, just "Cantr has a large team of translators, who have currently translated much of the game into 18 different languages. Current translations are: Dutch, English, Spanish, Esperanto[4], French, German, Lithuanian, Polish, Portuguese, Russian, Chinese, Arabic, Latin, Finnish, Lojban, Swedish, Italian, and Turkish.

A player can choose to create a character of any of the listed languages except Arabic, Russian, Chinese, and Latin (these require further translation first)" and "the interface for that character will be in the chosen language"

I think we should mention games that were inspired by Cantr. There's been a lot, though except for FTO, none have gotten off the ground yet (and that's gone already).

Rebma19 wrote:LAst time, did we use all those sites where you can vote for cantr from your account page? There's like twenty ...And that was one of the criteria last time around, reliable sources, though are pretty well established websites.

They aren't really. We have plenty of game list references; what we need is other things.
I really think the main thing is making Cantr look notable and getting sources, not taking away information.
From the discussion:

Oh please, I have removed all of these. Not a single one was a reliable source (see WP:RS). They were just directory listings, blogs or online editable encyclopedia's.--Peephole 16:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Those voting links are directory listings.

Doug R. wrote:I think we should mention games that were inspired by Cantr. There's been a lot, though except for FTO, none have gotten off the ground yet (and that's gone already).

I agree.

I recall Dudel might have something on his blog, can that be used?

I hate to say this, but this might be a dead end. We are a not for profit game, and are notable for the fact of our LOTE work (Languages Other Than English) but I've seen people fight for Wiki rights before and never seen anyone win.

On one hand I want it, just for the occasional traffic, on the other hand good luck to anyone who wants to fight the tide.

Cwalen wrote:I hate to say this, but this might be a dead end. We are a not for profit game, and are notable for the fact of our LOTE work (Languages Other Than English) but I've seen people fight for Wiki rights before and never seen anyone win.

The other site I'm involved with, OEDILF, did.

Cwalen wrote:I hate to say this, but this might be a dead end. We are a not for profit game, and are notable for the fact of our LOTE work (Languages Other Than English) but I've seen people fight for Wiki rights before and never seen anyone win.

Cantr's article managed to stay up for a long time last time, and we gained players from it, so it's worth a try. I really think Cantr is notable; it's one of the first if not the first Esperanto rpg from what I've seen on the internet.

Gejyspa cites precedent, perhaps we could use that, if we could get more details, in our defense?

Joshua accidentally wrote that the quote came from me, when it of course came from Cwalen...

Anyway, well, don't know how it will come to Cantr, but OEDILF simply won by GAINING notoriety. We had interviews in newspapers and radio programs all over the world. And we supplied that info in the wikipedia article.

Sorry, have to be careful when using the quote button in a reply.

gejyspa wrote:Anyway, well, don't know how it will come to Cantr, but OEDILF simply won by GAINING notoriety. We had interviews in newspapers and radio programs all over the world. And we supplied that info in the wikipedia article.

That's what we need.

Anyone with any ideas about how we could gain notoriety in that way? out LOTE efforts are quite remarkable in my experience, anyone know anyone who could help with this?

Andu wrote:I recall Dudel might have something on his blog, can that be used?

My blog is not a reliable source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources