To the player of Winnifred Ferguson

[Anthony Roberts]

Technically Nick, under the "Fair Use Agreement" she's allowed to use the pictures and edit them to her usage as long as she charges no money for it or claims them for herself (Although, technically, there should be a waterspot on the picture signifying the owner of the picture and it's copyright information, even if it's edited).

But, I'm not in this argument.

Please, continue

[new.vogue.nightmare]

Also...artistic license. William is supposed to be a portrait artist, not a photographer. Therefore it's entirely posible that his depictions may possibly contain some aberrations from the cantr reality. Get over it.

[Nick]

Well obviously you arent going to be able to find a picture that fits into the Cantr world perfectly.
Thats why, you make your own artwork.

[new.vogue.nightmare]

Stick figures aren't very pretty though. And again, even IRL, art doesn't always stick to reality.

[g1asswa1ker]

I will comment on them top to bottom;

First
-Bluejays dont exist in Cantr.
(could be a bluejay might be what a turky looks like in cantr who knows)
-His shield and sword seem to be made of multiple materials. Sabres and Swords are both all steel, and shields are either iron or wood.
Could be just decritive paint
-Belts dont exist in Cantr
I'll give you that one. There are no belts but thats a minor thing could be an artist way of dividing the work a bit
-Those clothes dont fit any of the clothes description I can think of
Actually if you look at them they could fit alot of things out there in game

Second
-There are nowhere near that many buildings in Seatown Forest
It's and artist rendition not a street map
-What is that on the far left of the screen? Does it exist in Cantr?
Could be a car could be anything the picture isn't detailed enough to truly tell
-Not all of the buildings are cottages
Again it's an artist rendition and the details don't show very well what is or is not a stone builfing

Third
-That one isnt bad, but I doubt its original, like the others arent. Make your own art.
I'll be to the point on that one kiss my Glass
-Lipstick doesnt exist.
Really now how important of an issue is that. I think your reaching

Fourth
-Only bikinis are fur or hide. Is that nylon?
For all you know that is hide could be apainted might be just the color it came out to be
-What material did that character use to streak her hair?
Hmmm could it be natural?

Fifth
-Unless I am wrong, she is nude but covered up by objects, the way most of your paintings should be. Not bad. But again, shes wearing lipstick.
Umm look agan she seems to be covered in something sher might be a dress or something similar. As for the lipstick I still say your reaching
-Books dont have covers, they are just long notes. I think of books in Cantr like ancient Chinese books... very long scrolls.
Thats your interpitation those my feind are envelops and thats my interpitation

Sixth
-You sure thats not Brittany Spears?
I don't know that one is what the person wanted.
-Streaks in her hair, eyeshadow, lipstick.
Do I really have to say it again?

Seventh
-I dont think that character has those clothes, nor a metal Ankh necklace
That was one I was waiting for first off the cloths exist weather or not the character actually has them or not doesn't matter and artist can add or subtract anything from his paintings removing blemishes or adding things from his sometimes deluted imagination. Also there are necklaces in game weather or not it looks like what you say a plain necklace should or not is simple interpitation

Make your own dang paintings!!!
Again kiss my glass
Or if you arent a good artist, ask West for the link to that historical art making site. Its quite nice. And lastly, did you ask any of the owners of these pictures if you were allowed to alter them and use them? I doubt it. Remember copyright laws, Asswalker.

Lets see I'm not selling them. I got some from a free site and some from downloads I paid for. Which by the way allows me to use them for non buisness purposes. And since I'm not actually making any money from them I am ok and if the artist was on the picture I would have left it. Also I never claim them as my own works at least not in reality.

Lastly, do you really think something simple or something like this would really interest anyone?



I don't think anyone would care for it. Even if it was drawn better I couldn't get to a level where someone would want to have a copy of it.

where is it said we are naked:

He seems strong and is in his twenties. He wears nothing worth mentioning.

She seems strong and is in her twenties. She wears nothing worth mentioning.

Also just in case you missed it earlier:

Kiss my Glass!

[rklenseth]

Actually, Glass, could sell those pictures because he changed the original picture from what is was. So now techinically he owns the rights to those pictures.

[rklenseth]

Well obviously you arent going to be able to find a picture that fits into the Cantr world perfectly.
Thats why, you make your own artwork.

You can find pictures that fit into te Cantr. Photoshop can edit out the things that don't fit.

Some of us aren't good at artwork.

And alot of things that you said above will most likely exist sooner or later. Resources is very active so expect some changes and new things.

[g1asswa1ker]

Oh and by the way three of those pictures had dragons. You can barely tell, if at all. I think they work out just fine and so do the characters who had them done.



So ummm drink another beer, smoke another joint, and sit on your hand and have some fun.

[rklenseth]

Whoever said your characters couldn't make up dragons as a fantasy within Cantr?

[new.vogue.nightmare]

Hey, if someone can name their vehicle after a dragon, why can't someone draw a pretty picture of one?

[Anthony Roberts]

I'm going to do some makeshift arbitration.

To both of you: DOES IT MATTER? Let the Players Department (Or whoever is going to) decide. You both hold good arguments but who's really winning here?

1 - Glass) The people asked for the pictures of that. Technically, they can look any way they want (It's a painting, not an exact clone of them)
1 - Nick) They could look any way they want, but some things play with the Capital Rule.

2 - Glass) The pictures were there, available free for download or to her expence. She can do as she wishes.
2 - Nick) Again, they break the Capital Rule. Britney Spears is a RL person, not a character in the game (And if they are, what a corny name)

3 - Glass/Vogue) Who wants Stick Figures? I mean, eww. Unless it was a COOL looking stick figure (Kingdom of Loathing, anyone?)
3 - Nick) The people in question are either real paintings of real people, real pictures of real people, real paintings of imaginary people, or real photos of imaginary people. In any case, it comes from the outside world. Capital Rule (This is like, the main argument of Nick, eh?)

4 - Glass) Everyone has an imagination. Make believe things can be what they want. Plus, Cantr is NOT real life. Just because you see a "Minivan" does NOT mean it looks like a Minivan from reality. It could have 18 wheels, 4 seats using beaver tails to hold the people in, and the mirrors could be made from magical intestines!
4 - Nick) On the other side, Cantr IS like Real Life because it follows logical rules and uses things from real life (A Minivan is an actual thing. If they called it "Charsuppa" no one would know what it was) - Capital Rule, using real life things in game.

5 - Glass/Vogue/Badger) OOC references are made in the game all the time, and go unpunisned. Example, calling a boat after the name of a dragon. Calling your clan over the name of a real or fantasy person/tribe (DoUrden, etc.), Naming your character from a real life person, or fantasy person (Roger Rabbit, etc.)
5 - Nick) No comment. But I can guess that he'll state something about some action should be taken against these instances as well.

So, my arbitration ruling? Neither win. Let the debate continue, but who's decision is this? The Players Department (Or someone higher up.). Therefore, I rule that the Players Department talk amongst themselves, look at the pros and cons of such a decision, and look at the arguments proposed.

Remember, their decision is final, not ours. But we can influence it.

(I'm neutral too. I really don't care if they're removed or left in the game. Doesn't bother me any.)

[new.vogue.nightmare]

2 - Nick) Again, they break the Capital Rule. Britney Spears is a RL person, not a character in the game (And if they are, what a corny name)

Who's to say that the char doesn't happen to look just like Britney Spears?

[jeslange]

re the 2nd to last pic: I found that by searching for "woman's head." The artist made it with a bunch of little dots, which aren't very noticable in the original. There was no indication that anyone famous was the subject.
I chose it because:
1) it did not show anything obvious that doesn't exist in Cantr.
2) in my head, M.Y. looks like me, but I didn't want a pic of me in game.
3) the elements that of the pic that aren't authentic for Cantr were not overly noticeable, and were also somewhat muted due to the way the work was made.

William's works are all art in the world of Cantr. My char who saw the first work (A Portrait-William Bishoff), commented on the fact that William's ability to visualize things differently than they actually are adds appeal to the works.

[Anthony Roberts]

2 - Nick) Again, they break the Capital Rule. Britney Spears is a RL person, not a character in the game (And if they are, what a corny name)

Who's to say that the char doesn't happen to look just like Britney Spears?

Umm, when you wear a loin cloth, I'd say she doesn't look like Britney - But then again, true, she could. Doesn't matter though

[nitefyre]

2 - Nick) Again, they break the Capital Rule. Britney Spears is a RL person, not a character in the game (And if they are, what a corny name)

Who's to say that the char doesn't happen to look just like Britney Spears?

Umm, when you wear a loin cloth, I'd say she doesn't look like Britney - But then again, true, she could. Doesn't matter though

Well, I think the cloth is scant enough to match Britney. =O