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But he didn't/wouldn't have gone to Krif.

jeslange wrote:*sighs* "Yeah, Maily didn't hurt Maynard's companions, and one left right after he died. She told everyone to let him go.

Mailly...met...Keifer

She knew it was him too.

Figured she would have. well, it's a race then.

|west| wrote:But he didn't/wouldn't have gone to Krif.

Depends on which way he decided wasn't to dangerous. If he'd immedatly turned around when Mailly attacked then Mailly would most likely have gone after him, if he'd tried to circle around he could have been caught plus the roundabout trip would have taken most of a year...a straight run to Krif on the other hand takes about 6 days from where he was.

griogal wrote:

Meh wrote:As a player not a staff member I think that Valerie and whoever else wants to come up with excuses to protect lost keys should cut it out.

What happened to Maynard could not have spread back to Krif yet correct?

If it did I think it should be fair for anyone to ask exactly how the information got there.

Edit: So it can be verified by the players dept. Maybe e-mailing the players dept on how the information traveled so the players dpet can state that it is legitimate.

Maynard has been away before and no one else lied about him being dead. I don't think that playing at that it is a lie is fair either.

Does this have anything to do with the sudden execution of Rory, although the sentence by the Council had been years of imprisonment and forced labour?

I just think everyone should not be reacting to Maynard yet that it is.

This will put people out of place when the real truth is revealed and the one end has to eliminate the other end in the final battle for control the middle and the ends.

Food for thought. The ends have one thing in common. Harsh "laws". When the middle is wiped away the old ranger code and nosse sensibilities will be gone.

In the old Krif vs. Djorf competition... It seem like the harshness of Krif will prevail in the end even though neither Krif nor Djorf will survive or be the center of the new order. Wonder which end will claim control? Or if they will continue the puppet goverments of the middle.

griogal wrote:

rklenseth wrote:

ephiroll wrote:

Meh wrote:Just to poor salt into the wound.

Maily didn't attack Krif though Rory, the Mac Gregor's did and I am not talking about Rory.

Why would the MacGregors try to go after Maynard when they already had passed up so many chances to get him? That doesn't make any sense, if the MacGregors wanted to kill him then it could have been done ages ago before Maynard started building up his power base again, if he'd been killed before about 550 no one probly would even have paid it any attention, instead Gregor was working with Maynard at that time to bring stability to the region, and Maynard was in a building with Gregor, Vender Ghost, Mailly and someone esle for a few days between 550 and 555 or so...the perfect chance to kill him was passed up if any of those people really had wanted to do it. Instead they send Rory "Incompetant" MacGregor to kill Maynard years later? I highly doubt Gregor would be that stupid, and besides, this is the first time IC or OOC that any meantion of the MacGregors having anything to do with any of this has come to my attention. Plus, Gregor steped down as leader of the Rangers, another big mistake if he was after Maynard because that would've been the best place to arrange an attack or to just come up with a reason to kill him, which wouldn't have been hard for him to do. Not to meantion, that one of Rory's reasons for going after Maynard was because Rory thought that Maynard and Gregor had gotten to close.

It was believed that the MacGregors were playing Maynard from the beginning to get inside and gain some trust from him. That is where Rory and Gregor had a dispute. Rory wanted to take Maynard out but Gregor was being cautious. He wanted to not just cut off the head and leave the body.

Rory then went to the Forest to find out if the Forest would aid him. Yes, there were some that wanted to support this but Maily did not and instead got Rory to build some fortress in the Northern Hills to keep him quiet. Then Rory became involved with the whole Silverfoot thing and it was believed he did this to gain the trust of Krif so he could plan his attack. It was at this time that many of Rory's followers abandoned him.

Rory's attack did not invole the Forest. The Forest even went to great lengths to keep him from attacking as a full frontal attack against Krif would only make Maynard look better and hurt the image of everyone else that supported Rory.

Gregor had other plans with Maynard indeed....

I kind of figured that because the MacGregors killed one of my characters from Krif after they accused him for spying on the MacGregors and was a spy for Maynard.
That and my character heard a few things before he died about what the MacGregors actually thought of Maynard.

Anyways, Jerry, you don't remember James Whitmore? You recruited him a long time ago and sent him to Seatown Area to spy and kill, if the opportunity arose, any leadership of the then Seatown Kingdom that was in some type of civil war at the time. James indeed spied on them and then General Korgan Bloodaxe, of the Krif Dark Legion (which was formed by Maynard and was his army), came into Seatown Gardens where James and Korgan murdered one of the leaders for that kingdom.

Oh, Maynard did say that they could leave and then sent his Krif Dark Legion after them and killed them in the Hills or the Forest for the few that were able to get there.

Also, if I remember, Korgan murdered Falkirk Corla by Maynard's orders. It seems to me that Maynard's lackeys did a lot of killing and murdering. Even if Maynard did not order it or sanction it, it will still live as his memory. He should have reigned in his dogs a little bit better or his imagine might not have been tainted so.

Meh wrote:Food for thought. The ends have one thing in common. Harsh "laws". When the middle is wiped away the old ranger code and nosse sensibilities will be gone.

In the old Krif vs. Djorf competition... It seem like the harshness of Krif will prevail in the end even though neither Krif nor Djorf will survive or be the center of the new order. Wonder which end will claim control? Or if they will continue the puppet goverments of the middle.

I don't think either side will ever really win. I think it will be a constant battle with periods of peace every now and then sort of like it has been since the 200s and Maynard's rise to power and the First Krif Empire.

It is either that option above or some outside forces will enter into the conflict and then evetually take over.

Who knows though?

And I don't think the Rangers or the Nosse will disappear. I do think they will get wrapped up into the wars but they will survive.

Only time will tell....

Maybe, but the best way to hold control over a group of cutthroats is to allow them to do whatever their urges tell them to do, so they were allowed a certain amount of freedom. And actually, I didn't remember Maynard sending James to Seatown to kill anyone, that should have only been a spy mission anyway, because Maynard waited in Drojf hills south for about a year for info to lead the army onward with, but before he retired to the KSF wrote everyone sent to Seatown off as MIA. That's probly why I don't remember James. And Maynard got info at one time that Bloodaxe was killed in an attack in Seatown forest I think it was, and was also wrote off as dead. And the DL was sent into Drojf hills to secure the areas which was where they killed most of their victims, I didn't know the DL killed people in Seatown forest. Corla was one of Craktar's men, and was killed after Maynard shut himself up in the KSF, he was alive just before and managing Drojf, Maynard didn't order his death either.

Ahhh...the fun that can start when you arm a bunch of eager young men ...they seem to have been busy little bees. I may be off on some things right around that time also, the last month or so before I went inactive for a few months were hit and miss as it was.

Meh wrote:Food for thought. The ends have one thing in common. Harsh "laws". When the middle is wiped away the old ranger code and nosse sensibilities will be gone.

In the old Krif vs. Djorf competition... It seem like the harshness of Krif will prevail in the end even though neither Krif nor Djorf will survive or be the center of the new order. Wonder which end will claim control? Or if they will continue the puppet goverments of the middle.

It all depends on who the most aggresive is, Krif has access to what they need to win any such battle, but victory more often then not relies on the will to survive, not just how well someone is armed.

never a dull moment in that region

ephiroll wrote:Maybe, but the best way to hold control over a group of cutthroats is to allow them to do whatever their urges tell them to do, so they were allowed a certain amount of freedom. And actually, I didn't remember Maynard sending James to Seatown to kill anyone, that should have only been a spy mission anyway, because Maynard waited in Drojf hills south for about a year for info to lead the army onward with, but before he retired to the KSF wrote everyone sent to Seatown off as MIA. That's probly why I don't remember James. And Maynard got info at one time that Bloodaxe was killed in an attack in Seatown forest I think it was, and was also wrote off as dead. And the DL was sent into Drojf hills to secure the areas which was where they killed most of their victims, I didn't know the DL killed people in Seatown forest. Corla was one of Craktar's men, and was killed after Maynard shut himself up in the KSF, he was alive just before and managing Drojf, Maynard didn't order his death either.

Ahhh...the fun that can start when you arm a bunch of eager young men ...they seem to have been busy little bees. I may be off on some things right around that time also, the last month or so before I went inactive for a few months were hit and miss as it was.

Well, James did finally return to Krif. But it was the time that Maynard had disappeared and Craktar was in control and was killing people right and left. There were rumors flying around that Craktar had murdered Maynard.

James did report to Craktar but Craktar blew him off. James later found out that Craktar had order the executions of all the members of the Dark Legion and that he was on the list because he was a former soldier in the Krif Dark Legion. So James left Krif, he thought that the Empire had abandoned him, and headed to the Hills where he met some other former Dark Legion members who were trying to band together to fight Craktar. He joined them and they happened to be the Smoke Jaguars. It was then, knowing that they James was a spy, sent him to Seatown Forest. While in the Forest, James had a change of heart after meeting Donna Trent and Gregor Mendal (who was a former guardsmen for Craktar) and he found something new to believe in. And he has dedicated his life to the Forest since.

But pretty much, if Maynard had stayed around just a little longer, the whole area but Seatown Forest was ripe for taking over and Korgan Bloodaxe had even set up a fortress in Seatown Gardens. Craktar's men later murdered Bloodaxe and most of the Dark Legion except those few that got away such as the Smoke Jaguars and James.

Donna killed Korgan, I thought.

Not really sure who killed Korgan. Rumor had it that Craktar had him killed in Seatown Gardens. Then again rumor had it that Craktar killed Maynard too .

I believed James once told Maily (or was it Donna) that there is a whole underground network that no one knows about. James has seen part of it but he never really knew much about it. When Maynard returned, he saw this underground network pick up speed and so he thought that Maynard was behind it. That is why James and Donna made a plan (behind Maily's because they knew that she would never agree to it) to have James return to Maynard and claim his loyalty with him and hopefully work again as a spy for Maynard. With this, James hoped to enter this underground world that he thought was controlled by Maynard. These plans changed with the capture of Alicia Scarlett, Abelard Lindsey, and a few others that will remain unknown at this time.

Anyways, these are things I would like to point out;

1. Someone wanted Maynard dead and wanted it at the hands of the Forest.
2. Someone wanted Emperor Durin knocked off and to make it look like Silverfoot and the Krif Eagles were behind it.
3. Someone wanted Silverfoot and the Krif Eagles dead.
4. Someone wants Krif and the Forest to go to war.
5. Someone wants the Rangers to look bad.
6. Someone wanted Arachon dead.
7. Someone wanted to steal the Forest's boat and attack Krif and Drojf and make it look like the Forest was behind it.
8. Someone wanted Rory MacGregor to attack Krif and make it look like the Forest was aiding him.
9. Someone wants Krif weakened; note all the recent attacks on Krif.
10. Someone wants the Forest to believe there are shadows at every corner; note the conspiracies being leaked into the Forest about people. Now the Forest is almost on a paranoid state.

Possible conspirators;

1. Gunny and his people; it was later found out that it was they that really killed Emperor Durin. Glen Morangie and Donna Trent attacked them and wiped them out to the man. Even after Gunny and his people were killed, there was evidence that turned up that he was working for Maynard.
2. Abelard Lindsey; attacked up and down the roads of Drojf and Krif, creating havoc. He escaped pursuers but later someone pointed him out to the Forest where he was trying to hide and the Forest captured him. He was well armed. Later, under interrogation, he claimed to have been working for Maynard to create choas in the region so that Maynard could step in as the hero and clear everything up in the end. Maynard later claimed to have never worked with this man.
3. Garry; originally worked for Emperor Durin. Tipped off the Forest about an attack on Emperor Durin before it even happened. Donna Trent left and was able to get to the Western Hills just after the attack that later was blamed on Silverfoot and the Krif Eagles. Tipped off the Forest again by pointing out a Lt. York, that was supposedly a Krif Eagle and involved in the 'forged' accounts of Durin's murder, that was found out to be working with a Forest resident named Lucie McSea. He usually travels around the Hills and the Seatown area.
4. Lt. Alvin York; was in the forged accounts of Durin's murder. Silverfoot nor Sgt. Hunter ever knew the man and he wasn't a Krif Eagle. Was later pointed out by Garry to the Forest and found to be conspiring with the Forest resident Lucie McSea. He died while under interrogation by the Forest. He never said anything.
5. Lucie McSea; where she came from is unknown. Showed up in the Forest one day and wanted to be a resident. She built a room in the Lee's Apartments. She was later caught conspiring with Lt. York after he was pointed out by Garry. The Forest broke in her room to later find her building tools and machines that could be used to build powerful steel weapons. This was suspcious because she had access to the such tools and machines in other buildings where she would be under supervision. She obviously wanted to keep this a secret. She later denied ever knowing Lt. York or anything and died under interrogation.
6. Kiefer Sutherland; as of yet no one knows (but maybe Maynard) who this person is. At least two people that have been captured in the Forest have claimed to be him. Other people have pointed out other people to be this Sutherland. Perhaps, Sutherland wasn't really working for Maynard but had other ties.
7. The men who took over the defenses of Krif after the Krif Eagles; they later turned traitor and were behind the first attacks on Krif.
8. Rory MacGregor; after being turned away by the Forest about aiding him on an attack on Maynard, he then got caught up in the Silverfoot affair where he claimed that he saw Silverfoot and the Krif Eagles attack Durin. His followers then abandoned him in the Hills where most of them went to the Forest to make a new living. He then suddenly comes up a bunch of new followers, builds a boat, and then attacks Krif. He was also able to arm his new followers very well.
9. Alicia Scarlett; was captured by the Forest after it was found out that she was spying on them. She later claimed to be spying for Maynard but then took those comments back. She also claimed to be in love with Maynard (she also took back those comments) and said she was conspiring with Maynard. She also said that Lucius Blackheart and Maynard were good buddies and that Blackheart was really a puppet for Maynard who controlled the Krif Counsil. She then asked Silverfoot to join her in fighting them. Silverfoot refused and told Maily this.
10. Arachon; rumors claim that he and his people are working for Maynard. He took over the Western Hills after Durin was killed. There are many rumors on him and he is a very mysterious man. He wants to be part of the regional union really bad and has tried to gain both Devon Dobbs of the Northern Hills and Maily's support to petition the other regional leaders to get him entry into the union.

These are just some that come to mind.

I really love this region. There is never a dull day around there.