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I know the note wasn't made by Brian. Never said it was.

But I was under the impression that he had been released. My bad.

Nessa certainly seemed to be on good terms with him, acc'ding to the note.

Maily was perfectly happy to discuss her interactions with Rory, and believe it or not, it didn't require spying to find it out from her . It'd have to be really hard for anyone to pin Maily to the Krif attack. Since she didn't have anything to do with it, and since she kept a log of the two brief periods when she and Rory interacted, it should be easy to clear up. Maily sold Rory stone, trowels, a screwdriver, and 200 iron for a lock, so that he could build his fortress in the hills. The fortress was not complete by the time Rory ran off to be a psychopath, and was therefore not used in any way relating to the attack on Krif, or used at all. That's all the fun Maily and Rory had together, other than two conversations where Maily said Rory would be screwed if he attacked Krif or Maynard, since Maynard was at the time a leader, and his death would cause instability, blah blah blah. Rory did the whole "I give my word of honor" routine, and Maily was unfortunately foolish enough to believe him. At least she believed him until after he disappeared, and then both Maily and Silverfoot warned Krif's Counsil about him.
Believe it or not, Maily hasn't used clandestine measures until roughly 1 Cantr year ago. When she finally did, the whole extent of it was to have people stand a watch a small town in the S.F. area, in order to report any trouble or suspicious activity. There's a reason why Kieffer couldn't identify anyone as having followed him around, because we weren't doing it .

hmmm...perhaps we shouldn't post more about these topics on the forums. It's all over 4 days, but it'll be a pretty hot IC topic for quite some time. PMing might be a better way to continue any discussions.

Just to poor salt into the wound.

Maily didn't attack Krif though Rory, the Mac Gregor's did and I am not talking about Rory.

If that's true, then my Mac Gregor char is way out of the loop . It would have to have been planned out AGES ago, which would've been when my char in the Clan had only been there for a little while, so maybe it's not so wierd that she wouldn't have known. You sure you're not joking, Meh?

jeslange wrote:You sure you're not joking, Meh?

who knows? it might be good to spread a bit of misinformation on the forums to balance out all the important and extremely sensitive info you guys are handing out. personally i don't have any characters in the know around there so you could say whatever you wanted and i'd believe you.

That was the short version.

The longer version.

The Nosse and active rangers are all at the SF end.
The ex-rangers are all at the other end.

Are the ends aligned against a middle growing weaker by the day?

Will the ends battle each other?

What is in the middle? Is the middle a DMZ?

Why is DHS perpetually abandoned like Naron Forest?

I comment on it because the region has no center where most other places do so it is unique.

To be blunt to weaken a location or a set of locations give them another location or set of locations with better choices. No direct advertising needed.

I've heard similar speculations myself, actually, and even had some myself.

Usually along the lines of, "Now, if I wanted to be REALLY devious and cause the maximum amount of mischief in the area without coming under suspicion myself, what would I have to do?"

The answers, even if they're wrong, can be very enlightening.

I have 3 characters in the KDS region, and through normal game mechanics, they've aligned by now at what I'd say are the three main poles of opinion.

That being said, as a player I still have no clue what's going on, though my chars are privy to a lot of interesting information.

Meh wrote:Just to poor salt into the wound.

Maily didn't attack Krif though Rory, the Mac Gregor's did and I am not talking about Rory.

Why would the MacGregors try to go after Maynard when they already had passed up so many chances to get him? That doesn't make any sense, if the MacGregors wanted to kill him then it could have been done ages ago before Maynard started building up his power base again, if he'd been killed before about 550 no one probly would even have paid it any attention, instead Gregor was working with Maynard at that time to bring stability to the region, and Maynard was in a building with Gregor, Vender Ghost, Mailly and someone esle for a few days between 550 and 555 or so...the perfect chance to kill him was passed up if any of those people really had wanted to do it. Instead they send Rory "Incompetant" MacGregor to kill Maynard years later? I highly doubt Gregor would be that stupid, and besides, this is the first time IC or OOC that any meantion of the MacGregors having anything to do with any of this has come to my attention. Plus, Gregor steped down as leader of the Rangers, another big mistake if he was after Maynard because that would've been the best place to arrange an attack or to just come up with a reason to kill him, which wouldn't have been hard for him to do. Not to meantion, that one of Rory's reasons for going after Maynard was because Rory thought that Maynard and Gregor had gotten to close.

ephiroll wrote:733-5: ******** says: "This man killed of Krif`s old
Counsil, as well as the Counsil of Drojf, leaders in the Seatown area,
and also innocent people all across the region. Everyone wants him
dead, and today would be as good a day as any. He is setting up some
very nasty things in this region, and I will be more than happy to
detail these things. If you care about your friends and your homes,
then help kill him."


The only sentance in this paragraph that is true is that "everyone wants him dead" and only if you take that to just mean a bunch of people, Mailly is going to be very surprised very soon, Maynard isn't as unpopular as she seemed to think. If he was, don't you think the Krif council would have killed him by now? It's not like Maynard didn't give them what they would have needed to do so.

Breakdown is: Craktar killed Krif's council while Maynard slept, Maynard didn't touch them. The Drojf council ran like rabbits when he gave them the ultimadum when he decided to add Drojf to Krif's territory, he never had a chance to hit, much less kill them. Seatown doesn't have any current leaders to kill, and the first time Maynard was Emperor he disolved the empire before he got to Seatown. And he set up a nasty thing or two, but nothing that would affect the K/D/S region unless he was killed.

You see...the point of all those spys was to know the truth, that's why Mailly was so misinformed, she didn't take the nessacary steps to get her own info, she relied on rumours, the words of traitors, and people who didn't know anything about Maynard but just hated him...but none of it matters now...all I wonder about now is how long Mailly has to live, what's going to get her into trouble is not that she killed Maynard, but the reasons she stated for doing so, because the people that will care about the news know the truth.

So you are saying that Sheriff Leeward and Councillor Craktar did not overthrow the old Krif Council back in the 200s. Massacred Drojf and overthrew the Drojf Republic. Formed the First Krif Empire and ruled as the Dark Lord and created the Krif Dark Legion that murdered many people. Maynard didn't hire spies and assassins to kill his enemies or people that he thought would become his enemies later.

You forget, Jerry, that there are still many older characters in the region that remember Maynard's reign of terror and many people that he directly or indirectly killed.

You also don't know that there are many characters in the region that wanted Maynard gone and don't believe his change of heart. There is much evidence collected by many entities over the past 100 days that point to Maynard being behind things.

I do like how Maynard changed history and manipluated a whole generation of characters in Krif to believe he was some sort of good guy.

I have to give you that one, Jerry. Good job!

|west| wrote: as a player I still have no clue what's going on, though my chars are privy to a lot of interesting information.

Ditto that, West. I have two very active chars in the region, both having tidbits of information, but the more they learn, the more confused they get, and me as well. Should be very interesting in the near future. I just hope mine don't die.

ephiroll wrote:

Meh wrote:Just to poor salt into the wound.

Maily didn't attack Krif though Rory, the Mac Gregor's did and I am not talking about Rory.

Why would the MacGregors try to go after Maynard when they already had passed up so many chances to get him? That doesn't make any sense, if the MacGregors wanted to kill him then it could have been done ages ago before Maynard started building up his power base again, if he'd been killed before about 550 no one probly would even have paid it any attention, instead Gregor was working with Maynard at that time to bring stability to the region, and Maynard was in a building with Gregor, Vender Ghost, Mailly and someone esle for a few days between 550 and 555 or so...the perfect chance to kill him was passed up if any of those people really had wanted to do it. Instead they send Rory "Incompetant" MacGregor to kill Maynard years later? I highly doubt Gregor would be that stupid, and besides, this is the first time IC or OOC that any meantion of the MacGregors having anything to do with any of this has come to my attention. Plus, Gregor steped down as leader of the Rangers, another big mistake if he was after Maynard because that would've been the best place to arrange an attack or to just come up with a reason to kill him, which wouldn't have been hard for him to do. Not to meantion, that one of Rory's reasons for going after Maynard was because Rory thought that Maynard and Gregor had gotten to close.

It was believed that the MacGregors were playing Maynard from the beginning to get inside and gain some trust from him. That is where Rory and Gregor had a dispute. Rory wanted to take Maynard out but Gregor was being cautious. He wanted to not just cut off the head and leave the body.

Rory then went to the Forest to find out if the Forest would aid him. Yes, there were some that wanted to support this but Maily did not and instead got Rory to build some fortress in the Northern Hills to keep him quiet. Then Rory became involved with the whole Silverfoot thing and it was believed he did this to gain the trust of Krif so he could plan his attack. It was at this time that many of Rory's followers abandoned him.

Rory's attack did not invole the Forest. The Forest even went to great lengths to keep him from attacking as a full frontal attack against Krif would only make Maynard look better and hurt the image of everyone else that supported Rory.

rklenseth wrote:

ephiroll wrote:733-5: ******** says: "This man killed of Krif`s old
Counsil, as well as the Counsil of Drojf, leaders in the Seatown area,
and also innocent people all across the region. Everyone wants him
dead, and today would be as good a day as any. He is setting up some
very nasty things in this region, and I will be more than happy to
detail these things. If you care about your friends and your homes,
then help kill him."


The only sentance in this paragraph that is true is that "everyone wants him dead" and only if you take that to just mean a bunch of people, Mailly is going to be very surprised very soon, Maynard isn't as unpopular as she seemed to think. If he was, don't you think the Krif council would have killed him by now? It's not like Maynard didn't give them what they would have needed to do so.

Breakdown is: Craktar killed Krif's council while Maynard slept, Maynard didn't touch them. The Drojf council ran like rabbits when he gave them the ultimadum when he decided to add Drojf to Krif's territory, he never had a chance to hit, much less kill them. Seatown doesn't have any current leaders to kill, and the first time Maynard was Emperor he disolved the empire before he got to Seatown. And he set up a nasty thing or two, but nothing that would affect the K/D/S region unless he was killed.

You see...the point of all those spys was to know the truth, that's why Mailly was so misinformed, she didn't take the nessacary steps to get her own info, she relied on rumours, the words of traitors, and people who didn't know anything about Maynard but just hated him...but none of it matters now...all I wonder about now is how long Mailly has to live, what's going to get her into trouble is not that she killed Maynard, but the reasons she stated for doing so, because the people that will care about the news know the truth.

So you are saying that Sheriff Leeward and Councillor Craktar did not overthrow the old Krif Council back in the 200s. Massacred Drojf and overthrew the Drojf Republic. Formed the First Krif Empire and ruled as the Dark Lord and created the Krif Dark Legion that murdered many people. Maynard didn't hire spies and assassins to kill his enemies or people that he thought would become his enemies later.

You forget, Jerry, that there are still many older characters in the region that remember Maynard's reign of terror and many people that he directly or indirectly killed.

You also don't know that there are many characters in the region that wanted Maynard gone and don't believe his change of heart. There is much evidence collected by many entities over the past 100 days that point to Maynard being behind things.

I do like how Maynard changed history and manipluated a whole generation of characters in Krif to believe he was some sort of good guy.

I have to give you that one, Jerry. Good job!

I'm not laughing at you Richard, but that fact that some very twisted versions of what happened in Krif are going around.

Proof of everything I said about that paragraph is in the Krif Library.

Maynard never touched a single hair on any Krif council member, Craktar and his 6-7 "workers" murdered them while Maynard was sleeping. Maynard also never took a single swing at anyone in Drojf, like I've said several times, they all ran like rabbits when Maynard paddeled in on the good old SS Hustler and told them all that "in 5 days I will be back, join me, leave, or die" and they all ran, the only people in Drojf when Maynard and the legion arrived where two guys sleeping who couldn't leave, who yes were killed by the legion for some target practice. Up until that time Maynard had directly killed less then 5 people, 4 of them while he was performing his duties as Sheriff of Krif, and the other was one guy who popped in Drojf after the army had arrived went on an unarmed suicide mission to get Maynard.

Maynard also never employeed a single assasin, spies yes, but assasins no, if Maynard wanted someone dead he did it himself.

Also, anything that indicts Maynard in any of the recent happenings is fictious, he wasn't and never was behind anything, and the only thing that he did plan was to affect people that no one in the K/D/S knew existed, much less had met.

Til the day Maynard died, he was probly respnsible for directly killing only about 20 people, and all of them caused it themselves in some way or other. And according to the info that Maynard received, the Dark Legion was responsible for killing no more then 10 in their short history.

To say Maynard was evil is only the opinion of other peoples perspectives, he was never played as an evil char nor a good char, just as a man obsessed to bring power and glory to his home, Krif, and willing to do whatever it took to make it happen. If someone isn't willing to fight for what they want then they aren't worthy to have it, and shouldn't complain if it's taken away.

rklenseth wrote:
Rory's attack did not invole the Forest. The Forest even went to great lengths to keep him from attacking as a full frontal attack against Krif would only make Maynard look better and hurt the image of everyone else that supported Rory.

Mailly's lucky she got Maynard then, because if he'd found that out then Mailly would be first on the list, she wasn't behind it but if she didn't try to stop it then she made it a crime of omission rather then comission.

And the forest couldn't have went to great lengths to stop it, great lengths involve locking up or killing. And no one can say that they were to powerful, from what I seen Maynard could have taken Rory and his crew on himself. The only reason they still live is because the didn't know enough to attack while Maynard was actualy IN town.

Which brings me to why I think so many people hated Maynard, he had the balls to do what everyone else just wanted to do. Everyone else in that region perpetuates any problems that come up, Maynard stomped them into the ground whenever he could, and dared anyone to speak a word of protest. And if anyone doesn't believe that, then just think back to the Rick and Brian incident and who was executed in the Krif town square for all to see and witness.

Maily is part of the post-fighting generation. She wasn't against an attack against Krif or against Maynard because of what RK said. She was against such things because she didn't want Krif to have to deal with violence and turmoil. She truly believed back then that Maynard could be handled diplomatically, and that absolutely no death was necessary or desirable. She never was, and likely never will be, a warrior.

Also, her post-fighting era life was likely the biggest contributer to her being fooled by Rory. She believed him that he was content to have a defensive stronghold. She never believed Rory would actually launch an attack until news of him doing so arrived. She told someone she's close to that she couldn't believe it, and the char responded with something like, "The only thing that surprises me is that it took him this long to do it." The char who said that was from the pre-peace generation, and the opposite reactions of shock versus expectation say something about the generation differences in that region.