Cantr II Discussion Forum

Joshuamonkey wrote:

west wrote:I tend to use "ised" instead of "ized" myself, personally, but I despise Americans who use "our" instead of "or" in color, armor, etc. They just seem pretentious. I don't mind it if Brits or other people who learned it that way do it, but for people for whom American is their first language it just comes off as annoying. I don't care if it "looks cooler".

American is my first language, but with some words I'm used to the "our" and then "or" seems weird to me. It just depends on how I learned the word I guess, especially armour. Generally I use the "or" though.
And because of Cantr I'm more used to "aluminium."

Amazingly weird that you chose to respond to a two year old thread on this subject, because less than 24 hours ago, I wrote in an email:

gejyspa wrote:> If this was just humour, that's fine too.
>
[I]t wasn't humour, but it might have been humor,
since I am a REAL American

(the recipient was also American)

Joshuamonkey wrote:What annoys me is how American grammar puts the punctuation mark before the quotation mark! I don't want to be the correct way unless the punctuation mark is in the quotation mark. Sometimes it could be misleading otherwise.
Getting a bit off topic..

On the other hand, I do agree with you here. It's what's called "logical quotation" as opposed to "typographic quotation", at least on OEDILF, where I am an editor (and we allow both styles). But as a computer programmer, where punctuation often has very specific effects, it's very important to know what is or is not included in a string of characters.

Random thought, but sometimes I'm not sure whether to use Councilor or Councillor. Not all towns or people use the same spelling. I mostly just use Councilor these days though. Oh, and I noticed that someone used the word "Harbor" in the name of a harbour, even though Cantr doesn't spell it that way.

I use the double-L's. Councillor vs. Councilor, cancelled as opposed to canceled. It just looks to better to me. Plus, I have spell-check on my browser, and when I type with one L it gives me that really annoying red curly underline thing.

Ten months later, I finally decide to read the entire thread, and this is my commentary:

Cantr = Can-ter (like a horse)
Klojt = Klaw-jit (like 'closet' with a j instead of s)
Djorf = D-jorf (occasionally leaving off the D)
Quillanoi = "Qwill-uhn-oy", until about fifteen minutes ago when I saw that Jos pronounces it "Keel-uhn-oy"
Doryiskom = DOOR-ree-yisk-kum
Akypor = ACK-kee-por
Sjoftich = Shjoff-tisch (with the "shj" like the "j" in the French "Jacque")
Olipifirovash = Oh-lee-pee-FEE-roe-vash
Mulof = MOO-loff
Moku = MO-koo (long O, "oo" as in "moo")
Krif = Kriff (short i)
Knatr = K-NAT-er (short A)
Tircqi = TURK-kwi (like "turkey" with a w)
Kiii = Kee-ee (like "key", but longer) or KEE-eye
Bhak = bahk (the "ah" being like the Boston "pahk the cah")
Baaak = baaahk (like "Bhak" but longer)
Vrayllnuets = VRAY-len-nwets
Siom = SIGH-um
Reniov = REN-ee-yov or REN-wov (short 'o' in both instances)
Plaekur = PLAY-kyur (as in "cure")
Zhift = Zhift ('zh' like the 's' in 'pleasure')
Noniwrok = NON-i-rock (short o and short i)

Yes, but in an Aussie accent it comes out a bit different.

Really though, all j's are silent.

And one K when followed by an N.

Bhak = Bark

Baaak = b - ah - k.

In my head anyway. Ingame is irrelavent.

I'm pretty certain the "j"s are supposed to be pronounced as "y"s. That's how the letter is pronounced in Dutch and that's what Jos probably had in mind when he made up the names.

When Snick first spawned in Klojt, I pronounced it "Kloyt", and then it somehow later evolved into "Klojit", though I was never completely sure.

Snickie wrote:Ten months later, I finally decide to read the entire thread, and this is my commentary:

Cantr = Can-ter (like a horse)
Klojt = Klaw-jit (like 'closet' with a j instead of s)
Djorf = D-jorf (occasionally leaving off the D)
Quillanoi = "Qwill-uhn-oy", until about fifteen minutes ago when I saw that Jos pronounces it "Keel-uhn-oy"
Doryiskom = DOOR-ree-yisk-kum
Akypor = ACK-kee-por
Sjoftich = Shjoff-tisch (with the "shj" like the "j" in the French "Jacque")
Olipifirovash = Oh-lee-pee-FEE-roe-vash
Mulof = MOO-loff
Moku = MO-koo (long O, "oo" as in "moo")
Krif = Kriff (short i)
Knatr = K-NAT-er (short A)
Tircqi = TURK-kwi (like "turkey" with a w)
Kiii = Kee-ee (like "key", but longer) or KEE-eye
Bhak = bahk (the "ah" being like the Boston "pahk the cah")
Baaak = baaahk (like "Bhak" but longer)
Vrayllnuets = VRAY-len-nwets
Siom = SIGH-um
Reniov = REN-ee-yov or REN-wov (short 'o' in both instances)
Plaekur = PLAY-kyur (as in "cure")
Zhift = Zhift ('zh' like the 's' in 'pleasure')
Noniwrok = NON-i-rock (short o and short i)

Without having read this thread before I think I say all of those just like that. With the exception of Siom which I was thinking was SEE-om ...and maybe non-E-rock

My favourite cantr place name is Ladvicitavoi. If it's not pronounced Lad-vi-sit-a-voy by everyone else I will probably still pronounce it that way.

OOOh, I've never seen this thread before. It's interesting to see so many different pronunciations of all the town names. I'll add mine including some Burgeo towns.

Cantr = Canter
Klojt = Klo-eet
Djorf = zjorf with the z and j running together
Quillanoi = Qwill-uh-no-ee
Doryiskom= Door-ee-is-com
Akypor = Okee-poor
Sjoftich = zjof-tich with z and j sound as above
Knatr = Nat-er
Tirqui = Turkey just like the tasty bird
Siom = see-om
Reniov=Ren-wov
Plaekur=Play - ker
Kaliwest= Kaylee-West
Here's a great one Dimho Liaious = Dim- oh Lee-oww-us (I really hope nobody ever tries to change that name, it's awesome. )
Moistalip= Moees-tow(like in towel)- lip
Kwaki= Kwock-ee
Querkalip= Kwerk-ah-lip
Zdoktalip=Zuh-dock-tuh-lip
Jakara= Juh-car-uh
Zhift= Zift (silent H)
Vrayllnuets = Vrayll-new-its
Kiii=Key
Mulof= Moo-loff
Moku=Moe-koo

One of these days I'm going to write how I pronounce these town names in IPA.

Am I the only one who pronounces Klojt how it's spelled (or tries to anyway )?

Other ambiguous ones with very inexpert IPA:
Plaekur - play-cur - pleɪ.kər
Kerena - kuh-RAY-na - kˈreɪ.nə
Luan - lu-WAN - ləˈwæn

My accent is (at least mostly) non-rhotic and I'm not sure how that works with the IPA - I'm especially not sure 'ər' is right.

ObsessedWithCats wrote:Am I the only one who pronounces Klojt how it's spelled (or tries to anyway )?

Other ambiguous ones with very inexpert IPA:
Plaekur - play-cur - pleɪ.kər
Kerena - kuh-RAY-na - kˈreɪ.nə
Luan - lu-WAN - ləˈwæn

My accent is (at least mostly) non-rhotic and I'm not sure how that works with the IPA - I'm especially not sure 'ər' is right.

Probably pleɪ.kɜː in that case (as in nurse, nɜːs). Although I'd say pleɪ.kuə personally, as in lure.

*Wiro wrote:

ObsessedWithCats wrote:Am I the only one who pronounces Klojt how it's spelled (or tries to anyway )?

Other ambiguous ones with very inexpert IPA:
Plaekur - play-cur - pleɪ.kər
Kerena - kuh-RAY-na - kˈreɪ.nə
Luan - lu-WAN - ləˈwæn

My accent is (at least mostly) non-rhotic and I'm not sure how that works with the IPA - I'm especially not sure 'ər' is right.

Probably pleɪ.kɜː in that case (as in nurse, nɜːs). Although I'd say pleɪ.kuə personally, as in lure.

Yes! That! pleɪ.kɜː, I wonder why I didn't see that in the table thingy.

Here's my noobish attempt at IPA:

Akypor - ˈæ.kəˌpɔr
Alenz - əˈlɛnz
Aresp (Hills) - əˈrɛsp
Blaman - ˈblɒ.mən
D’Hara - dʔˈɑr.rə
Doryiskom - ˈdɔr.riˌjɪsː.kəm
Jakara - d͡ʒəˈkɑr.rə
Kaliwest (Gardens) - ˈkæ.li.wɛst
Kartsjantankin - ˈkɑɹt.ʃænˌtæŋ.kən
Kiii - ki.aɪ
Kirinn - kɪərˈrɪn
Klojt - kloɪ̯t
Krif - krɪf
Longinazy - ˈlɔŋg.ɪˌneɪ.zi
Moistalip - ˈmoɪs.təˌlɪp
Moku - mo.kuː
Mulof -ˈmu.lɔf
Noniwrok - ˈnɔnɪˌrɔk
Olipifirovash - oʊ̯ˌlɪ̈pɪ̈ˈfɪəroˌvæʃ
Pak - pæk
Plaekur - ˌpleɪˈkjʊər
Puk - pʌk
Quillanoi - kwiˈlənɔɪˌ
Reniov - rɛnwɑ̃v
Siom - ˈsaɪ.ɔm
Sjoftich - ˈʒɔf.tɪt͡ʃ
Tircqi - ˈtɪərkwi
Vrayllnuets - ˈvreɪlɪ̈nˌwɛts
Xendra - ˈzɛnd͡ʒrə
Xiria - ˈzɪəriə
Zhift - ʒɪft̯


"tr" and "dr" tend to be softened into "chr" (ch like in church) and "jr" (j like in jump) so I used the corresponding IPA. I hope it's clear.