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[|william|]

so true....

[Pirog]

The Industriallist>

But several of the Mac Gregors, Seven included, uses such retoric herself...she just doesn't follow it.

[The Industriallist]

The Industriallist>

But several of the Mac Gregors, Seven included, uses such retoric herself...she just doesn't follow it.

I haven't seen that yet, so I don't know. Not that my character would point out the problem if he saw it...

[griogal]

The biggest problem is that they demand such huge respect in their homeland, always mentioning that people who visit them are guests etc., but when they go to other places they don't repay that respect.

It would be acceptable to deal with their customs, titles and stiffness...but then it should go both ways.

First of all, when Gregor travels elsewhere and meets new people, he always adresses them with Master, Lady, Miss or young Lady (That is since he wrote that law about the titles), with old friends and acquaintances he tends to use their first name.

Secondly, why would he repay respect to anyone who deliberately tries to provoke him to a fight by killing one of his sacred animals, and to make it worse actually point it out to him. Remind me to kill your little puppy or kitten if I ever should meet you IRL . Personnally, I don't think such actions can cause someone to respect you, on the contrary.

And Pirog, did Silverfoot ever visit KHN? I don't think so, otherwise she would have met people like Lake, Sarrus, Brigid, Shadow, Tim and many others.

[kroner]

Secondly, why would he repay respect to anyone who deliberately tries to provoke him to a fight by killing one of his sacred animals, and to make it worse actually point it out to him. Remind me to kill your little puppy or kitten if I ever should meet you IRL . Personnally, I don't think such actions can cause someone to respect you, on the contrary.

Heheh. I remember that. Fun times.

[Oasis]

Yeah, I remember that. And if it hadn't been for Maily, war might have broken out right there and then.

[griogal]

The biggest problem is that they demand such huge respect in their homeland, always mentioning that people who visit them are guests etc., but when they go to other places they don't repay that respect.

It would be acceptable to deal with their customs, titles and stiffness...but then it should go both ways.

And besides can you help me recall any Krif customs, or signs of some culture (besides thinking StF and the Mac Gregors are plotting against them)?

[The Industriallist]

The biggest problem is that they demand such huge respect in their homeland, always mentioning that people who visit them are guests etc., but when they go to other places they don't repay that respect.

It would be acceptable to deal with their customs, titles and stiffness...but then it should go both ways.

And besides can you help me recall any Krif customs, or signs of some culture (besides thinking StF and the Mac Gregors are plotting against them)?

Not burying the dead...

Not killing people who don't like them...

Killing animals that maul significant portions of their population and dislikeing people who essentially raise the things...

Spawning esoteric plots...

[|william|]

The biggest problem is that they demand such huge respect in their homeland, always mentioning that people who visit them are guests etc., but when they go to other places they don't repay that respect.

It would be acceptable to deal with their customs, titles and stiffness...but then it should go both ways.

And besides can you help me recall any Krif customs, or signs of some culture (besides thinking StF and the Mac Gregors are plotting against them)?

Not burying the dead...

Not killing people who don't like them...

Killing animals that maul significant portions of their population and dislikeing people who essentially raise the things...

Spawning esoteric plots...

not burying the dead is the only one that i can think of that is actually a custom
but they do have a very interesting past, as does just about every other city in that region.

[Bowser]

The biggest problem is that they demand such huge respect in their homeland, always mentioning that people who visit them are guests etc., but when they go to other places they don't repay that respect.

It would be acceptable to deal with their customs, titles and stiffness...but then it should go both ways.

I don't know if you speak of some land that is strange to me or of the Stone Knight of Olipifirovash Forest. This Clan definately fits the mold of demanding respect, not tolerating ANY negative or dissenting views and may not offer the same when they visit other regions.

And your point is?

It pisses you off? or you can't understand how they can do this?

or its just unfair!

[Pirog]

Griogal>

And Pirog, did Silverfoot ever visit KHN? I don't think so, otherwise she would have met people like Lake, Sarrus, Brigid, Shadow, Tim and many others.

No, but I have other characters that have.
And both Kard and Seven has been very rude during recent time...

Secondly, why would he repay respect to anyone who deliberately tries to provoke him to a fight by killing one of his sacred animals, and to make it worse actually point it out to him.

You mean like wearing a suit made of lion skin, like Silverfoot?

And besides can you help me recall any Krif customs, or signs of some culture (besides thinking StF and the Mac Gregors are plotting against them)?

Besides what The Industrialist has pointed out I don't think being arrogant and stiff is a larger sign of culture than having an open society and being able to adress the leaders with their first name. (which by the way Silverfoot doesn't feel comfortable with )
And the Mac Gregors aren't bad at plotting either...

Bowser>

And your point is?

It pisses you off? or you can't understand how they can do this?

or its just unfair!

I was discussing it from an IC perspective. As a player I really like the Mac Gregors. They bring a lot of what is interesting in the region...
Both my Krifian characters are disturbed by their behavior though, as are most Krifians and many other people in the region.

[Agar]

The biggest problem is that they demand such huge respect in their homeland, always mentioning that people who visit them are guests etc., but when they go to other places they don't repay that respect.

It would be acceptable to deal with their customs, titles and stiffness...but then it should go both ways.

I don't know if you speak of some land that is strange to me or of the Stone Knight of Olipifirovash Forest. This Clan definately fits the mold of demanding respect, not tolerating ANY negative or dissenting views and may not offer the same when they visit other regions.

And your point is?

It pisses you off? or you can't understand how they can do this?

or its just unfair!

I've had dealings with the MacGregors and the Stone Knights, and they are far far apart from each other, both in distance and attitude. The Stone Knights won't tolerate thieves or people trying to cause "rebellion", but the MacGregors will kill you for walking throught thier territory.

They can both be rather draconian at times. They're both rather exclusive, either you're in or you're not. They are similar, but still very different.

[Pirog]

I think they are pretty much the same.
The only real difference is that the Stoneknights can be more open about what they do since they aren't dependant on other governments. The Mac Gregors on the other hand would soon fade away if it wasn't for the constant cover from the Rangers and their old alliances to key political figures in the region.

[griogal]

I think they are pretty much the same.
The only real difference is that the Stoneknights can be more open about what they do since they aren't dependant on other governments. The Mac Gregors on the other hand would soon fade away if it wasn't for the constant cover from the Rangers and their old alliances to key political figures in the region.

I wonder why the noble Rangers and those honourable key figures keep protecting those ruthless brutal murderers from KHN? Fact is that the Ranger leaders and those key figures know Gregor personnally, and somehow must like him, or they wouldn't remain friends.

Somehow I think the region needs the Mac Gregors, as it keeps Krif under control, i.e. Krif's attention is nowadays more focused on the Mac Gregors than on invading the rest (like StF) as was the case in the past.

Besides what The Industrialist has pointed out I don't think being arrogant and stiff is a larger sign of culture than having an open society and being able to adress the leaders with their first name. (which by the way Silverfoot doesn't feel comfortable with )

But things like literature and poetry are. The number of works per capita is much higher in KHN than Krif.

[kroner]

Somehow I think the region needs the Mac Gregors, as it keeps Krif under control, i.e. Krif's attention is nowadays more focused on the Mac Gregors than on invading the rest (like StF) as was the case in the past.

This is pretty laughable. Maybe under past leadership Krif had aspirations to dominate the region, but do you actually know the Krif councilors? I mean, c'mon.

Soecond I'd like to point out that it's very rare in cantr for any group to be necessary for another's survival. Without the rangers I'm sure the Mac Gregors would do just fine (unless they pissed off the rest of the region a significant amount more than they have). WIthout the Mac Gregors, I'm sure that the rest of the region would still be perfectly safe.