Does anyone still enjoy the game?

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Re: Does anyone still enjoy the game?

Postby HFrance » Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:42 pm

Jos Elkink wrote:Actually, one aspect I sometimes regret not to have implemented is just money. I sometimes wonder whether Cantr would be more fun, closer to the game I want to play, if there was a hard coded banking system (or, like, gold coins system) to stimulate trade, auctions, markets, etc. that are not so much oriented towards barter trade.


The problem with monetary system is that it requires a strong and stable political system, which has always been a difficult task to achieve. For the manufacture of the coin makes its cost too high to be able to represent small exchange values. Someone has to cover the difference.
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Re: Does anyone still enjoy the game?

Postby Jos Elkink » Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:33 am

HFrance wrote:For the manufacture of the coin makes its cost too high to be able to represent small exchange values. Someone has to cover the difference.


Hmm, maybe some of that should be redesigned.

I should start with a little study in to how much coins are used at the moment. Would be interesting to know. (Might not be able to share it, though, without breaching rules of the game ;) ...)
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Re: Does anyone still enjoy the game?

Postby SekoETC » Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:23 pm

Yeah, once when I was still in ProgD, I shared statistics of how many coins of a kind there were in the world and somebody complained behind my back, they couldn't tell me straight that the information was confidential, they contacted someone else and said the information needs to be censored. There was some stack of coins that was a rather large number and it was a round number, like 1000 or something, but I can't remember what they were called. It just struck me as odd that someone would make an exact number of coins and be able to keep track of them.

I can speak for Klojt that the lowest denomination is quarter day, that's two hours of work. It costs 0.083 days to make one of those coins, so the nominal value is still higher than the production costs. Even if you made a one hour of work coin, given the right material, it would be cheaper to produce than the face value. And I don't see why anyone would need to make a coin that stands for smaller than one hour of work.
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Re: Does anyone still enjoy the game?

Postby nateflory » Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:25 pm

I imagine some of the folks with the three coin systems I know of can send you messages in-private.
That being said, I love the idea of the coins and would really enjoy seeing them more mass-produced and circulated as currency.
For now, I think we have not -quite- reached the tipping point of availibity. If coins flood the market, (not factoring in inflation) they have the opportunity to really take off. For now, however, newspawns need to get them to spend them, and that's localized for now. More wide-spread in-game currency is possible, we just have not quite gotten them to saturation-point... yet.
But I think personally that if the Radio Network can exist, coins can work, eventually. :)
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Re: Does anyone still enjoy the game?

Postby HFrance » Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:42 pm

Jos Elkink wrote:
HFrance wrote:For the manufacture of the coin makes its cost too high to be able to represent small exchange values. Someone has to cover the difference.


Hmm, maybe some of that should be redesigned.

I should start with a little study in to how much coins are used at the moment. Would be interesting to know. (Might not be able to share it, though, without breaching rules of the game ;) ...)


Despite any realism, the only coin that can work would be one made of bones.
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Re: Does anyone still enjoy the game?

Postby sanchez » Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:54 pm

There are some longstanding currencies in the polish zone, with regional exchange rates, and a recent very interesting revaluation of one from its iron standard. There are also more multi-city governments. Part of the reason I think it’s been more difficult to establish similar things in the english zone is in part geography, but also in a different style of play in EZ which puts more emphasis on personal relationships and less on politics. Also, the more ambitious plans I’ve seen in EZ tend to focus more on conquest and less on longer-term governance.
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Re: Does anyone still enjoy the game?

Postby AniCator » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:14 am

I still like the game. Yay. Just have to play more often but I've been getting distracted a lot lately.
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Re: Does anyone still enjoy the game?

Postby Alladinsane » Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:00 am

As far as coins... and I know some people don't like it when I bring up realism...

But in the usa there was actually a movement to stop making pennies because the cost of the materials and printing exceeded the value of the coin.

It may come up again, but I doubt it as our politicians are not exactly know for being frugal.
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Re: Does anyone still enjoy the game?

Postby HFrance » Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:03 am

I will try to explain how a bone coin, although it seems surreal, is the most appropriate to the reality of Cantr - it is cantrealistic... ehr...

The bones come from the hunting activity. Hunting is the activity that produces more unpredictable results. All in Cantr is based on a relatively fixed time of production. The proceeds of the hunt, not. It depends on the experience of the hunter, the hunted animal, weapon used, etc. We can not know, in general, the necessary time to achieve sufficient quantity of bones to make a coin in a press. Everything can be calculated based on the average time of production except animal products in hunting. This causes the bone material to be a special game element.

And besides, the animals resources are likely to become depleted, with the eventual extinction of animals through hunting to make, literally, money, They are the only resources that are not inexhaustible in Cantr. They are well distributed, so as to provide that every community can have at least a monetary system, as soon they can build a press.

The animals may be domesticated for the production of bones, like a mine. Thus the meaningfulness of domestication of animals is replaced by a much more strategic value than it currently has,

The metals may be further monetary standards to represent higher values, when would not be possible to handle very large amounts of bone coins, Bone coins would be primitive currencies for a simple economy, for a humble people.

We need the coin presses accepts bones as material.
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Re: Does anyone still enjoy the game?

Postby Wolfsong » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:32 am

A big problem that I see would be the fact that there are millions of grams of bones lying about everywhere.
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Re: Does anyone still enjoy the game?

Postby Millhouse » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:58 pm

I suggested a primitive coin press a while back but it wasn't we received.
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Re: Does anyone still enjoy the game?

Postby nateflory » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:13 pm

Is it possible for mods to split Coin discussion out of "do you enjoy Cantr?" topic? Both are valid discussions, of course. :)

As for enjoying it, I'm enjoying it more the past two weeks than I have in a long time! Thanks all!
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Re: Does anyone still enjoy the game?

Postby yougo » Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:13 am

Alas, I have returned. Some may have said my effort to shake things up in this game was unnecessary. Yet it appears the only continent with anything interesting left was the continent I wiped out the entire order of things. Do you guys want me back?
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Re: Does anyone still enjoy the game?

Postby nateflory » Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:04 am

yougo wrote:Alas, I have returned. Some may have said my effort to shake things up in this game was unnecessary. Yet it appears the only continent with anything interesting left was the continent I wiped out the entire order of things. Do you guys want me back?


I say go for it. Those folks might be prepared now.
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Re: Does anyone still enjoy the game?

Postby Wolfsong » Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:29 am

I'm always for more doom and murder in the game. Why have town guards and militant societies if not to get into combat once in awhile?
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