Children

[glitterdown]

I did not say it was wrong for him to state his opinion , but it was indeed the wrong place to say it OOC. His character had already made his point. If he as a person had a point to make the place was not in Cantr it would be here.

In defense of myself, I had avoided using any OOC comments up till this point, and only made this one because some friend of Catherine's DIRECTLY insulted my role-playing with an OOC message right before that statement.

860-5: You say: "Look around if you don`t believe me. I`ve traveled much of the world and I`ve yet to meet anyone under 20. As I said, all this silliness with that bundle of rags, and pretending it`s some tiny person, is madness. People spring wholey formed from the air itself. It`s ALWAYS been that way. I`ve watched it happen. This whole nonsense about raizing these "children" is just impossible. I can`t believe it. There`s no "baby animals" why should people be any different. Next thing you`re gonna tell me is turkeys come from fragile spheres."
860-5: Pisa Doleria says: "I don`t know about people springing from air but I do know it seems like you have much air in you - hot air that is. Zach is real to us - I have held, rocked and kissed him. It was not rags but a real baby"
860-5: Pisa Doleria says: "*going back to work on the woodpile and ignoring the rude man*"
860-5: Henry aka Harry says: "Well, just because you haven`t seen a baby born doesn`t mean it didn`t happen. You didn`t see the WEDDING but it did happen and did I mention it was beautiful."
860-5: You say: "Apparently it`s not just me, since from comments made when i first spoke, i`m led to believe you crazies have had a similar argument in the past. *smiles*"
860-5: You say: "Oh, I`m not doubting weddings. I`ve seen those myself. And they`re events. Not pretend things that people cuddle and coo at."
860-5:Henry aka Harry says: "Well, I just don`t like some people believing in some things and not others which is very hipacrital. when it`s all the same thing. (OOC: Rp is rp if you in it your in it all the way)"

My apologies for "dropping the masquerade" but someone needed a piece of my mind, and the whole baby-nonsense in Loginazy Forest had gotten WAY OUT OF HAND. It's a VERY active town, and there was so much role-play about this baby, that frankly i was bothered by it all, and felt it decreased my enjoyment of the game, and my ability to role-play effectively, since I was reacting more to RL annoyances, than in-game events.

[glitterdown]

Furthermore, the annoyance was increased because the baby was apparently wrapped in some sort of cotton-swaddling, in an area that had no cotton and no one was wearing anything MADE of cotton. It was a simple case of people wanting stuff that takes EFFORT to acquire, and jsut giving it to themselves, because their keyboard has *'s on it.

859-1: Lance Avery says: "Ewwwww. *he winced as the drool hit his arm, not quite used to the wet emmissions of this little person yet.* Thanks hun, *he took the cotton, and wiped the spit from his arm, then tucked it away for future use.*

859-6: Catherine Avery says: "...She carefully removed the soiled cloth as to not wake him.* ... *She placed Zach down on the ground without replacing the cloth ... *Smiling she gave the boy`s naked bum a pat, and searched for something to replace the now removed cloth.*"

[Dark_Angel_04]

Lance and Catherine Avery came from Blojt, a place where COTTON does infact grow... So it is perfectly legitimate for them to use *COTTON* In game as I am sure they do have Cotton, cotton yarn and cotton cloth as they did own the Clothiers in Blojt before Leaving, Like I said OOC comments about Not liking the way PPL RP is unnecessary and I find those more of a disturbance than anything someone says IC in game...



(EDIT Oh yeah Catherine and Lance are both WEEARING COTTON CLOTHING* Maybe you should check your facts before you make your posts. Look at the age of Catherine and Lance. then think to yourself, hummm someone that old Might have the resources they claim to have.)

[Missy]

Furthermore, the annoyance was increased because the baby was apparently wrapped in some sort of cotton-swaddling, in an area that had no cotton and no one was wearing anything MADE of cotton. It was a simple case of people wanting stuff that takes EFFORT to acquire, and jsut giving it to themselves, because their keyboard has *'s on it.

859-1: Lance Avery says: "Ewwwww. *he winced as the drool hit his arm, not quite used to the wet emmissions of this little person yet.* Thanks hun, *he took the cotton, and wiped the spit from his arm, then tucked it away for future use.*

859-6: Catherine Avery says: "...She carefully removed the soiled cloth as to not wake him.* ... *She placed Zach down on the ground without replacing the cloth ... *Smiling she gave the boy`s naked bum a pat, and searched for something to replace the now removed cloth.*"

In defense of what you said, it would help if you actually looked to see what Lance and Catherien are wearing for 1. Catherine had been wearing a toga at that time. She also owns a dress made of cotton. As well as had cotton yarn AND cotton in her inventory. Lance owns cotton fabric as well as a pair of pants made of cotton fabric. They are forty and close to forty, and very well travelled. Also, she later handed him cotton. Perhaps you failed to see that or just chose to omitt that from your evidence?

[Dark_Angel_04]

Same wave length Missy?

[Missy]

Yes, actually. It annoys me that someone would take the time to get annoyed themselves about something that is completely based on false accusations. So basically glitterdown your annoyance is your own fault for not paying attention. Be annoyed all they like when they don't have all the facts. Mannnnn "When there isn't even any cotton in that area." NO? did it just magically appear in togas and on their bodies? lol

[Dark_Angel_04]

*Laughs* Like I said in the Annoying well played chars "

The approval for the RP was that the parents would find someone (A Newspawn) and pass 20 years of history to them and hand an already developed character over to a diffeent unknown player... The character already having a history, I am sure would be more prone to reciving from a community that watched the child grow... Like a shield a weapon, plenty of food, clothing, and maybe even some mode of transportation... I think People should really think about slandering the RP aspect of Child RPING when one day they may have a new spawn in an area where a child has been RP'd and end up getting everything one searches and strives to get in game just for taking over a character concept someone has RP'd for 20 Cantr years... I mean think about it... What do New Spawns thrive to get? Iron, Food, Steel, transportation and protection... So what if putting up with someone RPing a baby for 20 Cantr years and then having the chance to play that child being given everything right off of the bat... without having to steal it, or work for 10 years to get it.. Think About it People, a little annoyance to get a charrie who starts out with everything at 20 years old.. Seems like a good thing to me.

[SekoETC]

Hmm, I think some people are just plain jealous they cannot rp, or that their characters never met somebody to love.

[Oasis]

Catherine and Lance have never rp'd anything they don't have. Yes, Lance has cotton cloth, cotton yarn, cotton, cotton clothing. The bone Catherine gave to the baby to play with was actually dropped to the floor. *inside, nobody saw it but them, but they still do everything properly , not matter where they are, in public or in private.*

This discussion has made it very difficult to rp the child. However, there is so much support for this where they are, even to the point of the leader adding the childs name to the citizen's list, that it is going to continue. No, perhaps not on the scale that we or the supporters would like. For instance, not very often will anyone know where that baby is, on the off chance that some outsider might try to kill it, and we also don't want to "bother" other players, or ruin their gaming experience. Most of it will likely now be private, which I think is a shame. But please don't ruin ours, and let us continue in our moderated fashion. Here and in Siom.

[glitterdown]

My apologies, it does appear that the Averies do wear cotton clothing. Not being able to see their inventories, means the rest is unverifiable, but i appreciate your directness in correcting my error. I believe my second post may have been made hastily. I'd like to retract it from this discussion entirely.

I'm not here campaigning for character deletions or Baby-slaughter. I'm merely saying, as has been said elsewhere, that the preponderance of baby-RP in Loginazy is annoying and endemic of the problems with Baby-RP in Cantr in general.

If it's toned-down, I'm happy, and thank you for listening to my concerns.

[Slowness_Incarnate]

In all seriousness, ignore anyone that is playing a fantasy "baby" whenever they mention something like that..my chars don't even acknowledge what was said about the imaginary child. That solves alot of the problems for me, since they realize that it won't get their little ploy anymore attention.

I applaud you slowness. To be honest if I disagreed with something in game I would do the same. I let my character be aware of the situation and then if my char felt they dissaproved I would ignore it too, because it's something you can't change.

at the opposite end of that is this:

We don't ignore comments made by the town simpltons do we? We accept them talking to potatoes and helping trees grow do we not? Therefore, if we were to ignore an RP of a baby, we should also ignore those types of RP.

Charactures like Silly and Seko in game would not have been nurtured and loved and grown if we ignored them. Now, I know that those are real charactures, but the carrots they have conversations with are NOT, yet we accept them.

Deal with it, People will have RP babies, we have no right to discourage it without harming the spirit and freedom of this game. Cantr will eventually implement real babies, and the RP babies will be real at that time, until then, lets indulge the baby players and enjoy the pleasant RP that results rather then go telling these players "You are wrong!"

My 2 cents.

Toddles!
Tha Psycho Pixzie lady

I stopped watching the topic for a bit, then I read that. I also ignore some simpletons when they just get ridiculous. My characters don't speak to people they don't respect. The same thing happens irl with me, I don't speak to people I don't respect. Sure some antics are accepted, because it's obvious they can learn and improve. Others are just plain ridiculous and annoying, wastes of time and space.

[Chrissy]

I don't think there should be children introduced into the game. The game is too violent. You will have characters killing children and it's a dark twist that I think is to dark for Cantr. I keep reading about this imaginary baby. If characters pretend to have a baby then I agree that should be deamed slightly insane. There is no such thing as children in cantr. It would be the same if a character said, "look at my balloon." You would have to presume that, that char was confused or misinformed. For characters to pretend they birthed another 20 year old, when they didn't, it was spawned, that falls into the category of, not right. And if there is no one playing their 20 year old child, then it's all imaginary, and you have to look at the couple as if they are carrying an imaginary baby.

Chrissy

[g1asswa1ker]

Oh and don't be to surprised if when you decide your character doesn't see the baby and you express that your character doesn't that people might find your character a little crazy.

You know what for all of you who think Rping 'babys or anything else dealing with what humans are really like' is something that should not be done. @#$% you!

I'm tired of seeing the BS some of you people put out.

[SekoETC]

Maybe adding real babies would make people calm down. You don't see people in real life attacking everyone they see just because they are bored. ....I'm out of words now, I just point out that wether or not babies are scripted in, some people will have them anyway.
At the point of view of my characters: At the moment the only one who could become pregnant is Hannah, and I really hope she will have kids some day. But I haven't started anything yet since I'm hoping the baby-thing gets commonly accepted and implemented. I just couldn't bear it if someone came to call my character crazy for "imagining" a baby.
Seko was recently involved in a conversation about babies. He really believes in them... but why should we care about the words of a loonie who sees and hears many things others can't?

Are there two different races on Cantr, ones that are born babies and others that are spawned as adults? *Shivers*

[Chrissy]

Oh and don't be to surprised if when you decide your character doesn't see the baby and you express that your character doesn't that people might find your character a little crazy.

You know what for all of you who think Rping 'babys or anything else dealing with what humans are really like' is something that should not be done. @#$% you!

I'm tired of seeing the BS some of you people put out.

Huh?

Children do not exist in Cantr. Cantr is not the real world. It is not a given, the things we have in the real world, are also in Cantr. What is there, is there. It's been programed in. And everything else is imaginary. If my character doesn't see a baby, there is no baby.

Chrissy