Children

[Missy]

But if you have a sabre, an iron shield, and a baby, and I try to hit the baby with my fist, mightn't you say *blocks the blow with her shield*?

Not that any of my characters would try to kill your halucianatory baby. They aren't that mean, even to harmless lunatics.

I say no. Only because that will cause a strain OOC. Someone will say..I KILLED YOUR BABY YOU CANT DO THAT. Its safer to just assume that every time someone takes a strike that they have succeded. It's a disadvantage for those rp'ing the baby...but ..I wouldn't raise my shield, no.

[Oasis]

Sorry, but I certainly would! It takes at least three hits for real characters to be killed with a good weapon, I don't think I'd accept that a child could be taken out with only one swipe.

X says...."shoots an arrow and kills your baby"

I say......"throws shield in front of baby, deflecting the arrow, and runs off with the baby clutched tightly in her arms, screaming........"He's trying to kill my baby."

Same as if someone said they did something to my char, or gave my char's actions they shouldn't have. I would rewrite it.

851-3: a man in his twenties says: "get back in the bushes! *jumps in after her,
gropes her, takes pleasure off her, then chucks her out of the bushes""

I say........"fights him off with all her strength, kicking him where it counts, thus preventing his attempt to chuck her out of the bushes.*

I can't change his actions, but I can read between the lines as in "attempts" to chuck her, or "attempts" to kill the baby. There might be better examples, but I hope you see my point. Similar to when someone takes the liberty to give your character actions which they shouldn't do, I will certainly undo those actions if I wish.

[Oasis]

Jeslange, the difference between the reaction to the murder of a 'fantasy child' and say a husband or good friend, is that the husband or friend is played by a real human being in the real world. The 'fantasy child' is completely non-interdependant and is completely intangible. It doesn't eat, move, age, can't be seen, so why would anyone mourn it's loss?

I don't think this is a valid argument. I don't play with the other player, my character is playing with their character.

Just because an rp'd baby is not real in the sense of real characters, does not mean it isn't real to those characters, and very much loved by them. The loss of an rp'd baby would be just as devestating to these characters as would an actual character baby (if we had these).

[Missy]

You can if you like, but thats only going to bring out an ooc battle. I guaruntee it. I guaruntee that people will start fighting about..it ooc. "I KILLED that Baby, you can't deny that I did"

You'll say.."You can't just kill a baby with one hit."


"I just did. I didn't attempt it, I did it."

You can hope they'll only attempt, but thats not to say that their actions are void. Not only that, you'll then have people running around with invincible babies which I think should be avoided. Every time someone attempts to kill a child you'll see someone saying..*Throws up her shield.* Too bad you missed. I think that is unfair. If everyone could agree that not every time will the aarow be a miss it would be fine, but I deff don't see that happening. Could you rp that maybe this time the person missed, but the next time the person didn't miss? My guess is that there are some people who would ALWAYS consider the aarow a miss. Can you rely on those who are shooting to sometimes miss? Deffinately not.

I feel if the person says *Pulls out his saber and stabs the child in the chest while its in its mothers arms* He's hit and the childs dead so long as the child is indeed in its mothers arms.

Aside of that I believe it was intended that babies will not be implemented at full health because they do have a less chance of surviving. So...

[Missy]

I'm not saying you can't choose to pretend to dodge an attack.

I myself don't want the arguments I know will come OOC. I won't pretend it did not happen if someone says it did.

[Oasis]

All valid points, but in order for me to accept the murder of my baby, it would have to be a legitimate, in game assault. No newspawn will be acting like an idiot and claiming to kill the baby just for kicks, or a player who does not agree with this type of rp killing the baby for ooc reasons. e.g. the chars who have already stated they don't see any baby, and have gone so far as to make comment ooc that they don't like this type of rp. That I wouldn't accept. Or someone claiming to have a weapon they don't. Or......well, I could go on. But if it was a well played in game thing, I might not have any choice. Yes, I'm someone who would dodge the first arrow, but the second one the baby might not be so lucky. But I agree, some players would likely never let the arrow hit. *shrugs* Can't help it, I'll still likely dodge the first one.

[Sparkle]

I am against the RPing of babies (carried by a character or played by a character) for a couple of reasons. One is that, as Solfius said, it lacks credibility because they aren't actually implemented. Another is that players don't agree about it. It seems to me that any place where an RPed baby comes up gets disrupted by an OOC argument and, often, IC arguments. If that is the case (never having had a char in a place with a baby, I don't know), I think babies should be officially discouraged because they mess with the flow of the society.

I'm not making sense here, am I?

Nope.

[Sparkle]

Missy, well said. I agree with everything you said. Things would go alot smoother if everyone would just come to the conclusion that characters make there lives the way they want to make them.

That was the main thing that drawn me to this game. You can be anything you want to be it didn't say you can be a doctor, lawyer, ruler, worker, helper, murder, theif, etc... oh but you can't be a mother and you can't have a family.

This game is great because it only has one rule and I don't see any CR Breach with a character wanting a family. So until it has been included as a Cr Breach or a rule breaker everyone who doesn't like it should get over it and go on with there characters boring little lives and stop trying to ruin everyone elses.

[Slowness_Incarnate]

In all seriousness, ignore anyone that is playing a fantasy "baby" whenever they mention something like that..my chars don't even acknowledge what was said about the imaginary child. That solves alot of the problems for me, since they realize that it won't get their little ploy anymore attention.

[Sparkle]

In all seriousness, ignore anyone that is playing a fantasy "baby" whenever they mention something like that..my chars don't even acknowledge what was said about the imaginary child. That solves alot of the problems for me, since they realize that it won't get their little ploy anymore attention.

I applaud you slowness. To be honest if I disagreed with something in game I would do the same. I let my character be aware of the situation and then if my char felt they dissaproved I would ignore it too, because it's something you can't change.

[nitefyre]

I've been watching the topic- and I must say I'm taking a slight adjustment on my views referring to roleplayed babies. The matter of the baby being completely *roleplayed* as was brought up before does mean it is subject to *roleplayed* fighting system. If someone *roleplays* the death of a child, he will be dead. You're going to hafta live with it since you started off with this *roleplay* in the first case. Considering the sickness ordeal Missy brought up, perhaps they're physically healthy but just mentally feeling under the wind. We're all bickering, but there doesn't seem to be a solution, hence I have one,the players already *roleplaying* babies should continue *roleplaying* them- but if someone *roleplays* their death to a lack of coding for a fighting system for them, they shall be suffering the consequence the assaulter *roleplays;* but no further *roleplayed* births should occur, until proper coding is provided. Since the coding of babies is being programmed, or I am led to believe so, the current amount of babies is probably retracable and manageable for the Prog Dept to match an age and character for only the current ones. But by the time they finish coding, they'll be overwhelmed with specific children to deal with! So for the sake of the Prog Dept members, lets give them some relief and stop making babies at least in the meanwhile.

Disclaimer: None of my char's have babies, but they roleplay babies as objects people claim to have (made of resources;)), until it is further explained where depending on the gullibility and stubborness of a character, the char either believes or disbelieves of the baby. I have yet to have a character not be persuaded that they exist, though my contact with babies are limited.

[Missy]

I think thats a reasonable request @ Nightfyre.

Now realizing how much of a problem it is for others to just go on their way, I wish I hadn't changed my chars biological clock and let her conceive.

In any regard, I don't think all of the babies will even make it past ten. I mean, thats two years of playing the game until the babies are actually able to be handed off to another player. I think some players will find ways to rp an accidental death of the babies that already exist. ---drowning, SIDS, suffocation, choking etc.

Some might make it as far as the twenty, I don't know.

[Psycho Pixie]

In all seriousness, ignore anyone that is playing a fantasy "baby" whenever they mention something like that..my chars don't even acknowledge what was said about the imaginary child. That solves alot of the problems for me, since they realize that it won't get their little ploy anymore attention.

I applaud you slowness. To be honest if I disagreed with something in game I would do the same. I let my character be aware of the situation and then if my char felt they dissaproved I would ignore it too, because it's something you can't change.

at the opposite end of that is this:

We don't ignore comments made by the town simpltons do we? We accept them talking to potatoes and helping trees grow do we not? Therefore, if we were to ignore an RP of a baby, we should also ignore those types of RP.

Charactures like Silly and Seko in game would not have been nurtured and loved and grown if we ignored them. Now, I know that those are real charactures, but the carrots they have conversations with are NOT, yet we accept them.

Deal with it, People will have RP babies, we have no right to discourage it without harming the spirit and freedom of this game. Cantr will eventually implement real babies, and the RP babies will be real at that time, until then, lets indulge the baby players and enjoy the pleasant RP that results rather then go telling these players "You are wrong!"

My 2 cents.

Toddles!
Tha Psycho Pixzie lady

[Oasis]

Cheers to Pixie!

[new.vogue.nightmare]

Didn't have the time to read through everything here, but just in case it hasn't been brought up; what happens in 20 years?

1) baby disappears or conveniently dies
2) baby never grows up
3) parents decide to claim some random newspawn as their own child, resulting in a bit of chaos.

"Listen to me! I'm your mother!"
"Get away from me you crazy hag! I don't know who you are!"