"Find out in game" rule change

Stan · Postby **Stan** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:22 pm

It would be a good way to claim the discovery...also, since the location of where things are found isn't shared it shouldn't eliminate an explorer's or inventor's competitive advantage.

PRUT · Postby **PRUT** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:25 pm

Snake_byte wrote: Maybe html pictures of them...
I think it would be pretty hard to discribe what every machine in the game looks like...

Good idea! Trying to translate all the stuff I found that sometimes it's hard to translate it (I don't even know specific polish words for translation).

Just look how many different types of hammers are in game... (I really don't know how it looks like in real)

Postby **Jos Elkink** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:26 pm

mortaine wrote:[I'm all for a knowledge base, but.... this is too far.]

Cantr players are never going to be satisfied, are they?

If I will create this automatic interface, all those mixtures will be known even before any character discovers them. The key of exploring will be to find out *where* you can find them, *where* you find other societies, and what those other societies are like ... Not what resources exist.

Postby **Jos Elkink** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:27 pm

Oh, and with an automatic guide I mean one where you can click on a machine, get all info about it, can click on a resource you need, get all info about it, etc. So no pictures or descriptions, just a linking system through all info that is currently in the database on these items.

Graphics and descriptions would be cool, but are too much work to be implemented anytime soon.

PRUT · Postby **PRUT** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:29 pm

Jos Elkink wrote:Graphics and descriptions would be cool, but are too much work to be implemented anytime soon.

Not in Wiki

I think. There will be easy to put graphics

Stan · Postby **Stan** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:34 pm

Jos Elkink wrote:Cantr players are never going to be satisfied, are they?

I think that's the case whenever you have 1800 people who all have an opinion!

You guys do a great job of filtering out the noise and acting on the signal!

Good job!

Snake_byte · Postby **Snake_byte** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:38 pm

Jos Elkink wrote:Oh, and with an automatic guide I mean one where you can click on a machine, get all info about it, can click on a resource you need, get all info about it, etc.

Maybe not about the resources and it shouldn't be on the manufaturers page. Perhaps once the machine is made instead... But once you build a certain machine you can usually find out what it's for by using it...

mortaine · Postby **mortaine** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:45 pm

The key of exploring will be to find out *where* you can find them, *where* you find other societies, and what those other societies are like ... Not what resources exist.

Not to oppose the Mighty One, but I disagree. The enjoyment one gets in exploration is different for each explorer. The wiki categorically removes one possible (and very real) method of discovery.

wietse · Postby **wietse** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:59 pm

hurrah for Jos!

a great change!

black knight · Postby **black knight** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:05 pm

jos wrote

If I will create this automatic interface, all those mixtures will be known even before any character discovers them. The key of exploring will be to find out *where* you can find them, *where* you find other societies, and what those other societies are like ... Not what resources exist.

i would'nt like that, dunno about others but i think it leaves nothing new to discover.... a character know what a certain substance is before he/she has ever seen or heard about it, or what a machine does even if he/she is the first to ever use it... not exactly realistic...
therefore i think it would be better if its the players who did the job... :!:

Oasis · Postby **Oasis** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:12 pm

I agree that characters should still be limited to knowing what they themselves have had experience with. For example, someone living where there are no bears shouldn't know they exist elsewhere, unless that character has heard or read of them.

I guess the same would go for resources. If a char has never seen or heard of copper, how would they know that it even existed?

However, when a char does see copper, he will automatically know what it is for, which is fine. That's what's been missing up to now.

west · Postby **west** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:37 pm

black knight wrote:jos wrote
If I will create this automatic interface, all those mixtures will be known even before any character discovers them. The key of exploring will be to find out *where* you can find them, *where* you find other societies, and what those other societies are like ... Not what resources exist.

i would'nt like that, dunno about others but i think it leaves nothing new to discover.... a character know what a certain substance is before he/she has ever seen or heard about it, or what a machine does even if he/she is the first to ever use it... not exactly realistic...
therefore i think it would be better if its the players who did the job...

There's a character who's now in Burgeo that created an apothecary table and now knows exactly what resources he's looking for, even though he's never seen them and nobody knows where they are or what they do.

And that's before the Wiki, even. It's not realistic, but unlike real people, cantr people all have access to a list of building things. Maybe it's just one of those things that make them different. A mental encyclopedia.

Snake_byte · Postby **Snake_byte** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:58 pm

Well for the ones that are really opposed to it all, just don't go to the CantrII Wiki. Its contents won't be spoken about on the forum. That is what the Wiki is for.... If I'm looking at it right there is a place for discussion in there as well...
It's good role-playing that will help keep the IC discovering real for the rest.
Just because you know how to make it doesn't mean that if you're in an area that doesn't have the right resources to make XXXX Item, then you should go out of your way to look for them.
That would be bad role-playing and on some level I'm sure CR breaching.

west · Postby **west** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:59 pm

at the same time, though, your CHAR has access to that info in game (if you make an apothecary table, you know what you can make on it, these mixtures. You don't know what they do, but you know what you need). I think it's a little sketchy but you can't claim that there's anything wrong with it, really.

black knight · Postby **black knight** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:20 pm

west wrote:

There's a character who's now in Burgeo that created an apothecary table and now knows exactly what resources he's looking for, even though he's never seen them and nobody knows where they are or what they do.

And that's before the Wiki, even. It's not realistic, but unlike real people, cantr people all have access to a list of building things. Maybe it's just one of those things that make them different. A mental encyclopedia.

i agree there, but even if he knows what he's looking for, he does'nt know what they do, or how to get them if they are uncommon resources, or how to produce them if they are semi finished products. all he knows is the names of resources he needs to make something... what that something does, he does'nt know...
And if he did'nt get to know what he can do with the table after he makes it,i doubt anyone will be able to figure out its use, or the use of any machinery for that matter...
so thats absolutely neccasary...i think...

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