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Postby T.L.H.E. » Thu Jun 24, 2004 12:34 am

sparkle wrote:...
846-1:Tabbitha says: "You bother me greatly, and I hope you meet
a horrible, painful death sometime very soon... though not at my hand
of course, as I would rather stay out of prison and keep my job. And for
the last bloody time, it`s TabBitha. "
846-1: Cathrine says: "Oh Tabitcha did you say? *She pulled on her
lobe a little.* "
846-1: You see Tabbitha(e) slap Cathrine in the face.
846-1: Cathrine says: "You`re so nasty. You ought to let my husband
examine you for a while. He knows all about these mood swings us women experience. He`s very smart you know? *Smiles charmingly.*"

846-1: Tabbitha(e) says: "All I did was state that you cannot create
life, it is spawned. And of course now I am being pushed out of my home
for it. *she shrugs* So is the way of life I suppose."


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I mean none of my characters would but I think this is more of being a sport about not liking something then bitching about it. If you ask me her slapping Catherine for something her herself didn't like and not even given her character a chance to understand it, because first of all her character haven't heard of it so how can she dissaprove of it. (CR BREACH)

....

Having been there at the time, and running across Tabbitha a while after the fact, I can tell you that that slap was for the 'Tabitcha'... she's not the most level headed character when she's angry.

Anywho, I have nothing to say about children in cantr that hasn't already been said somewhere else, so I'll just shut up now.
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Postby Sparkle » Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:17 am

T.L.H.E. wrote:
sparkle wrote:...
846-1:Tabbitha says: "You bother me greatly, and I hope you meet
a horrible, painful death sometime very soon... though not at my hand
of course, as I would rather stay out of prison and keep my job. And for
the last bloody time, it`s TabBitha. "
846-1: Cathrine says: "Oh Tabitcha did you say? *She pulled on her
lobe a little.* "
846-1: You see Tabbitha(e) slap Cathrine in the face.
846-1: Cathrine says: "You`re so nasty. You ought to let my husband
examine you for a while. He knows all about these mood swings us women experience. He`s very smart you know? *Smiles charmingly.*"

846-1: Tabbitha(e) says: "All I did was state that you cannot create
life, it is spawned. And of course now I am being pushed out of my home
for it. *she shrugs* So is the way of life I suppose."


...

I mean none of my characters would but I think this is more of being a sport about not liking something then bitching about it. If you ask me her slapping Catherine for something her herself didn't like and not even given her character a chance to understand it, because first of all her character haven't heard of it so how can she dissaprove of it. (CR BREACH)

....

Having been there at the time, and running across Tabbitha a while after the fact, I can tell you that that slap was for the 'Tabitcha'... she's not the most level headed character when she's angry.

Anywho, I have nothing to say about children in cantr that hasn't already been said somewhere else, so I'll just shut up now.


Yes, I know that's why Tabbitha slapped her, but the point is Catherine said that because that's exactly how Tabbitha acted toward the whole situation. Tabbitha had just got bacl into town and Catherine made a comment about being big and round from the baby and then Tabbitha really showed how much she could be a bitch. I wish I had the rest of it so you could have seen what I mean.
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Postby Dark_Angel_04 » Thu Jun 24, 2004 5:59 am

Cantr is a Society Simulator, there fore If you were a parent... and your child was slain infront of your eyes, what would you do? Yes RPing children is hard, and I have the joy of RPing 3 of them. 2 my characters twins, and one an infant who's mother passed away. Now let me ask you what would Society do in the event of a child being Slain? I know here the Murderer would be detained and held for trial where such fate is decided by a Judge, Jury and exocutioner. I personally would not stop until my childs Murderer was dead. I have 4 beautiful children of my own. I could not even fathom the possibility of another human being killing any of them nor what I would do.

If you do not have children, then perhaps a brother or sister, a best friend, a close family member. Can you Imaging having your own heart ripped out and crushed infront of your eyes? Well let me tell you if anything were to happen to any of my babies, I would guarantee that would come no where near the feeling of pain and hurt I would feel. As for Characters types, I would mourn any of my characters. In Fact when one of the babies was born to my Char another Char took the Blue baby to the side and my MY heart as a player sank and I felt a loss in my self. I was very relieved when I saw the baby was ok.

I did ask permission before hand and I was granted such, I remember talking to Jos at the same time not sure if it concerned the babies, but I did not get any negative feedback from him on it. RP is RP if people choose not to recognise someone elses RP then so be it, but Please do not be rude like some players have been and keep unnecessary comments to your selves, we take a lot of time and pride in our RP and It is a game, meant to be fun.
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Postby Lone Wolf » Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:20 am

Well Tabitha was a problem even before Catherine had arrived. She was mean to many women, but it seems her targets were mostly women, I know she had implied a fight between her and Boss Slimman. But that got shot down. But it was her actions over the time she lived there that gave reason to asking her to leave.
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Postby Sparkle » Thu Jun 24, 2004 2:58 pm

Dark_Angel_04 wrote:I did ask permission before hand and I was granted such, I remember talking to Jos at the same time not sure if it concerned the babies, but I did not get any negative feedback from him on it. RP is RP if people choose not to recognise someone elses RP then so be it, but Please do not be rude like some players have been and keep unnecessary comments to your selves, we take a lot of time and pride in our RP and It is a game, meant to be fun.


Another example of this rude behavior.

860-6: Samuel Taler says: "(OOC: I`m not arguing about Role-playing or not here, I`m jsut saying that we live in a world where their CLEARLY are no children, and jsut because you seem to WANT them, doesn`t mean there ARE any. I am role-playing, it`s perhaps some others who are adding things to a word where they aren`t. Especially considering that this "child" will NEVER become a "character" further disproving its possibility of existence. If you want kids, talk to the GM, I`m sure they can start a process whereby 2 people (of opposite sexes) work on a project together than creates a "being" that is role-played by some 3rd person who starts at 0 years old. Sorry to be a brat, but wanting some Role-Playing possibility doesn`t make it so. And frankly to me the "realities" of this game are MUCH more interesting, than trying to make this game EXACTLY like Real-Life. I`ll shut up about the rags now. Sorry.)"
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Postby Pulpcatcher » Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:45 pm

Jeslange, the difference between the reaction to the murder of a 'fantasy child' and say a husband or good friend, is that the husband or friend is played by a real human being in the real world. The 'fantasy child' is completely non-interdependant and is completely intangible. It doesn't eat, move, age, can't be seen, so why would anyone mourn it's loss?

Also, I'd say the player behind the character Samuel Taler was quite right to state his opinion and to explain why he wasn't particpating in the 'children fantasy'. There was nothing much rude in what he said, he explained his point of view.

I've learned one thing from this thread, that I'm a purist - I don't care for the roleplay of anything intangible, be it a baby or a gnome on horseback. And if I too decide I want to roleplay children, I'm going to buy a doll and sit around the house washing it, talking to it, feeding it where it won't bother anyone else.
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Postby Sparkle » Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:06 pm

Pulpcatcher wrote:Jeslange, the difference between the reaction to the murder of a 'fantasy child' and say a husband or good friend, is that the husband or friend is played by a real human being in the real world. The 'fantasy child' is completely non-interdependant and is completely intangible. It doesn't eat, move, age, can't be seen, so why would anyone mourn it's loss?

Also, I'd say the player behind the character Samuel Taler was quite right to state his opinion and to explain why he wasn't particpating in the 'children fantasy'. There was nothing much rude in what he said, he explained his point of view.

I've learned one thing from this thread, that I'm a purist - I don't care for the roleplay of anything intangible, be it a baby or a gnome on horseback. And if I too decide I want to roleplay children, I'm going to buy a doll and sit around the house washing it, talking to it, feeding it where it won't bother anyone else.


I did not say it was wrong for him to state his opinion , but it was indeed the wrong place to say it OOC. His character had already made his point. If he as a person had a point to make the place was not in Cantr it would be here.
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Postby The Industriallist » Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:28 pm

jeslange wrote:Pulpcatcher, I don't see how the reaction to the murder of a "baby" would be flawed in comparison to the reaction to the murder of husband, good friend, etc. Perhaps I didn't get the point you were making.


I think It isn't a problem of reaction so much as of how can you tell what happens? I brought this up in another thread, but basically, what is to keep someone from instantly killing, mutilating, or just stealing something that doesn't exist under the actual game system?

Reminds me of a fairly recent, extremely nasty scene from Karnon Forest (those with characters there will know what I am referring to):
851-3: a man in his twenties says: "get back in the bushes! *jumps in after her,
gropes her, takes pleasure off her, then chucks her out of the bushes""

There is no way whatsoever to evaluate this 'action'. Does he do exactly what he says, despite probably being around 10% life? Or does he fail, creating a serious uncertainty about the state of the world, since something *happened* that didn't actually happen?
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Postby jeslange » Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:03 pm

Sorry, I was assuming that all babies were chars that actually existed, and that their physical age was intentionally overlooked by other players/chars.
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Postby Solfius » Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:30 pm

Id say that that RP like the industrialist suggested can only really take place when both players want to accept the events, because as nothing really happened as far as the game is concerned.

I personally would be irritated by that kind of RP as it is supposed to affect me in a way that isn't possible, and so lacks credibility, but more than that like I said above it only works if both players wish to indulge in the RP, and I wouldn't be moved to. So I'm more irritated with the fact someone is creating events involving me in a way I don't wish to be involved in. Were it happening via a game mechanism then it would be acceptable to me, but it's the fact it is and I don't want to be involved in it, or something like that if you're able to follow me.
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Postby Sho » Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:42 pm

I am against the RPing of babies (carried by a character or played by a character) for a couple of reasons. One is that, as Solfius said, it lacks credibility because they aren't actually implemented. Another is that players don't agree about it. It seems to me that any place where an RPed baby comes up gets disrupted by an OOC argument and, often, IC arguments. If that is the case (never having had a char in a place with a baby, I don't know), I think babies should be officially discouraged because they mess with the flow of the society.

I'm not making sense here, am I?
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Postby The Industriallist » Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:56 pm

Played by a character is alright. have you ever met Silly of Drojf? he was 'apparantly' meant to have started out as an infant. I thought he was just RP mentally delayed, but that isn't really a problem.

I agree with you against 'invisible' babies, but OOC arguments in the game don't justify that position, they justify a roving player-'education' team :twisted:
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Postby Missy » Thu Jun 24, 2004 8:11 pm

:lol: They do age. We the player keep track of when it was born, and when it changes age.
Zach having been born on 852-4

The twins in Siom having been born on Michael Hart's spawning date are easy to keep track of.


"There is no way to evaluate this 'action" I disagree. Most of us who like the roleplaying aspect do not ignore those actions as if they never happened. I don't believe you'll find a strategist with a baby at this point, so rest assured if someone " *Smashes the babies head off the ground* those who are playing babies will RP it as thats what happened.

There are characters who have pretended to be ill in the past where they've passed out, had a backwords talking pattern, or even vomitted. Other characters looked for cures and tried to help them. Sometimes in fact helping the sick character become better. For instance the character who passes out, usually gets a wet piece of cotton on their head then wakes up. I've never seen anyone speak out against these actions in game, nor here on the boards. Some might say, well you're not really ill unless your health is low and you have a need for healing foods. I think that depending on the severity of the *actions* taken against the baby would be the factor of which to determine it's health. Quite obviously if someone stabs the baby in the chest with a saber, it's not going to live. If someone slaps the baby? It would still be alive. Babies have a smaller chance of living as it is. I think one blow with a weapon is enough to kill it, provided the attacker is at full health and states *Stabs at full strength.* Since they aren't a physical attribute to the game, anyone who wishes to kill the baby has an advantage. We the rp'er of the baby realize this and did before we allowed the baby to come forth into our rp's. So..........we're not going to whine and cry as players when you kill our chars' children. Yah, some players may feel sad about it. But children are not invincible. However...you can expect that the characters who have an attatchment to the child, will retaliate. I'm quite certain that in towns where children are accepted and believed in--you'll be breaking a law should the town decide that. I'm also fairly certain that you wont run across a set of parents that just sit there if you attack their child. Since our chars really believe theres a child there, even in towns where children aren't accepted as human beings, wouldn't change that they'll retaliate. Even if it meant getting thrown in prison or killed themselves.

First I'll say I hope that none of you run around trying to kill these babies every chance you get simply because you yourself don't like the idea they're being rp'ed. Only should your character kill these babies, if in fact your character believes it is there. If your character doesn't see a baby because you don't believe in it, well then it can't obviously kill the baby now can it? Can't kill something if it doesn't exist. If your character assumes my chars baby is rags and your character says *Walks over and starts jumping up and down on top of the rags* THERE IS NO BABY SEE SEE SEE? My characters going to take that as you're jumping up and down on rags since my character obviously see's a baby somewhere and yours doesn't. (Yah, your char can be seen as just as crazy for not believing there's a baby as someone can for believing they have a baby. ) IF your character says, *Starts jumping up and down on top of the baby's head.* The condition of the baby would need to be assessed. Most likely dead.


As children get older the severity of someones attack should be less. If my chars baby makes it to the age of ten and you *stabs his arm* ..sorry, he's not gonna die. he may not be able to eat healing foods like your char and mine, but he can deffinately heal with time. If numerous people stabbed him at one time? Well okay. Dead.


However---there are some things I will not acknowledge as well. If your char comes over to mine and says *Stabs the baby that she's holding* And my char is not even holding the baby? Guess what? You just missed! If you're not acknowledging that it's a physical being and capable of moving around etc...or paying attention to where the baby is concerning those who are rp'ing it....It's not my problem. :)


Though this does raise a question of my own, should people be aloud to hit a rp'ed baby more than once a day or not? I feel not!

Thats my opinion! O.P.I.N.I.O.N! Thats how I intend to play this baby deal.
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Postby The Industriallist » Thu Jun 24, 2004 8:18 pm

But if you have a sabre, an iron shield, and a baby, and I try to hit the baby with my fist, mightn't you say *blocks the blow with her shield*?

Not that any of my characters would try to kill your halucianatory :lol: baby. They aren't that mean, even to harmless lunatics.
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Postby Missy » Thu Jun 24, 2004 8:21 pm

As for disruptive for the game: In opinion again, those who are playing the babies have no problem with those who don't wish to acknowledge babies. If your character doesn't acknowledge that our chars have a baby, we RP it with you. "Awee you don't see it?" Usually it ends up that the person who doesn't believe looks more crazy than those who do. :lol: Oh well.

But it's not hard to maintain RP if the players who didn't believe in babies wouldn't allow the characters involved in the disagreement of the baby existing, to affect them so bad they started bitching OOC inside of the game. The only thing thats disruptive is that people feel the need to announce OOC they don't agree with it. What? Are we dumb and can't figure it out? Obviously if your char says he can't see the baby, we KNOW you the player don't agree with babies. The OOC comments are just completely retarded. OOC my char cant see your baby because I don't agree with it. DUH! Get a clue, and continue on with the RP eh? NOONE said you had to agree with babies, much less make your character believe they existed.

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