The possibility of spawning as someone's child?

[Mitch79]

I am as against this idea as Otherside and CDLS on this matter. For their very same reasons. Absolutely not. I do not see introducing pregnancy/children/babies as a benefit to the game in any way and much for the same reasons I lost interest in FTO for this sort of crap, I would do the same with Cantr if this was introduced. No, just no.

[BosBaBe]

I think you misunderstand the point.

My comments were not in any way, shape, or form an indication of dismissal against the idea of having "children" introduced into the game. My comment was directed at using them as punishment for those who are primarily engaged in sexual encounters within the game.

So my point is don't complain about the Mary Sues/John Does and the sun beams and rainbows they spew everywhere, but then freak out over what could happen to kids who spawn to bad parents. It makes no sense.

Where was there any complaining or freaking out?

It's more like just the general negativity over the idea. But then again I talk about the punishment thing actually assuming people would do it, I think there should be a choice in the matter. I think people should be able to CHOOSE whether they spawn a kid. But then saying that, the sex crazed players who just do it because they want to won't be spawning kids anyway. I'm saying that if I for instance knew the character mine was rping with was just in it for the sex rp and really didn't care whatsoever about mine, I'd spawn a kid.

I am as against this idea as Otherside and CDLS on this matter. For their very same reasons. Absolutely not. I do not see introducing pregnancy/children/babies as a benefit to the game in any way and much for the same reasons I lost interest in FTO for this sort of crap, I would do the same with Cantr if this was introduced. No, just no.

As I said before, I think it should be a choice. If you want to spawn a kid, fine, if you don't, then don't. It won't affect you at all if you don't want them. Sure, you'll see others with kids, but why should it bother anyone? I only ever get annoyed with family rp if it's quite clear the kid is way too old to really be considered still a kid, and when I know they're most likely getting involved in relationships and sex rp despite their childish nature.

And since it would be a choice, it's nothing like FTO, the only similarity I can imagine is the parent/s would have to press a button that enabled them to spawn kids. And when you make a character, you can either spawn as a 20 year old in a town location as usual, or you can join the queue to be spawned as a child to parents.

I too would be totally against the idea if it was proposed as everyone spawning as kids automatically, or spawning babies for couples is automatic. But because I envision it as a choice, I don't think it's a bad idea. If you don't want kids, don't select to spawn them. If you want kids, go right ahead.

[Majix]

I am as against this idea as Otherside and CDLS on this matter. For their very same reasons. Absolutely not. I do not see introducing pregnancy/children/babies as a benefit to the game in any way and much for the same reasons I lost interest in FTO for this sort of crap, I would do the same with Cantr if this was introduced. No, just no.

I'm as against it as you are. It's bad enough as it is now, having 20 year old people talking baby talk. No thanks!

[cutecuddlydirewolf]

Honestly, I like this idea. What about places where there are only a few wakeful people, and they desperately need newspawns? This could be a sure-fire way to get them. *shrugs* It would also give meaning to families and marriage.
Also, it would definitely be a suitable punishment for all those whores and sluts out there, having sex at the drop of a hat.....

[Genie]

One of my chars has a son and a daughter, they are not childish and both are grown ups. I think adopting is much better in Cantr and most fun.

[cutecuddlydirewolf]

Yes, but again, more often than not, places that need new people don't get them, and places that are overpopulated get newspawns all the time. Desire-based spawning should fix some of that, but children and spawning as someone's child could easily be a better option.

[Faith]

For me that would turn cantr into some sort of FTO or other RP games I've played and I like cantr for its uniqueness and little quirks, so I wouldn't vote in favor of that.

Sure it would make less ooc the ones who like to play the mom and dad thing, but in all I don't like the stereotypical family roles shoved into cantr world.

This 100%. And especially: I don't like the stereotypical family roles shoved into cantr world.
If I wanted stereotypical families and babies around, I would play FTO.

Yes, but again, more often than not, places that need new people don't get them, and places that are overpopulated get newspawns all the time. Desire-based spawning should fix some of that, but children and spawning as someone's child could easily be a better option.

I think that Desire-based spawning would turn into a complete OOC mess; so I don't support either. (But anyway I think the desire-based spawning is in another topic)

[saztronic]

No, no, no, a million times no.

[cutecuddlydirewolf]

Taking everyone's input into account, why don't we do it like this:
When you create a new character, you have the choice of spawning like usual, or being born to two parents. If the latter, you can choose to be anywhere from 5-19 years of age, with
5-6 years being a toddler,
7-12 years being a child,
13-16 years being a teenager,
and 17-19 years being a young adult.
The younger the person, the worse skills they will have; however, they will also learn more quickly. They should also eat lower amounts of food than an adult (unless they're a teenager ;P) and possibly even have less health.
Pregnancy, if we want to go that route, would be done via a "mating" button located on your character's page. Once clicked, it would take you to a page like the attack page and give you a scroll-down menu that, instead of listing weapons, lists all members of the opposite sex in the immediate area. Once selected, it will ask for confirmation, and once confirmed, it may give an event message such as "you see a woman in her twenties mating with a man in his twenties". Either gender may initiate mating.
Mating would have a 100% success rate, and always lead to pregnancy.
As a normal, real-life pregnancy lasts nine months, a Cantr pregnancy could last around 15 days (or less, depending on how patient people are). For days 1-5, nothing would happen, but on days 5-10 a message would appear in the character description that says "She appears to be in her second trimester". Likewise, for days 10-15, it would say "She appears to be in her third trimester". During the first two trimesters, women could experience nausea (morning sickness).
Once the pregnancy has reached 15 days, the newspawn would be "born", creating an event message (You notice a toddler/child/teenager/young adult whom you haven't seen before). The player would be notified about who the parents are, and as such, they could make the character look like the parents. (However, if the player doesn't like that idea, they could just create their own description, and it could be explained as "genetics"- i.e. children can look totally different from their parents, due to their ancestry and recessive genes.) On that note, the current spawning mechanic could also apply, with children having similar skills to their parents, though less... skillful. However, the knowledge of who a child's parents are probably ought to be more of an OOC thing, as children have no way of knowing who their parents are unless they are told. This could create especially interesting scenarios when a child is born out of a wedlock, or to a cheating wife. Children could age at twice the speed of a regular adult (10 days per year rather than 20) in case the player decides they don't like playing a child after all. Child abuse could be acted out ONLY if both players give OOC consent and the abuse is done in private. Pedophillia would be strictly forbidden, with either player risking being banned if they attempt to initiate such acts. Once a character turns 18, however, that can change. And as for all the people who are saying "This is a terrible idea, there are enough 'cutesy' characters as it is", children don't have to just be cute. If a player wanted to, they could make a sulking, sullen teenager, a child who is constantly trying to act "grown-up", or a toddler who gets into everything and stresses his parents out. Complaining about children being stereotypically cute is like saying you can't create a female character who isn't shallow and vain, acting vulnerable and helpless and waiting for a man to come and save her. It really all depends on the skill of the player, and their preferences towards what kind of person they want to play.
And as I've stated in my previous posts, there are some places that desperately need new people. I actually have several characters who would have children if this was implemented, just because they really, really need them. This might even be a way to attract new players as well, as it adds even more to an already fantastic game.*pauses to catch breath* Whew... that was... long. XD

[Mitch79]

Child abuse could be acted out ONLY if both players give OOC consent and the abuse is done in private. Pedophillia would be strictly forbidden, with either player risking being banned if they attempt to initiate such acts.

This is a big problem for me with the idea of children in game. Pd and staff have enough to monitor and deal with as it is without adding this to it.

And as I've stated in my previous posts, there are some places that desperately need new people. I actually have several characters who would have children if this was implemented, just because they really, really need them. This might even be a way to attract new players as well, as it adds even more to an already fantastic game.*

Having children in the game doesn't mean that they are going to end up sticking around where they spawn or are "birthed". We have newspawns that take off all the time without reason I don't see children in game being any different unless you put a block on travel due to age. Adding pregnancy and birth of children into the game is going to turn it more into FTO, than the more unique and different game I love. I see no benefit in the least of involving and implementing pregnancy and children in the game. In fact I see more problems than benefits. You may end up attracting a few new players but I am betting you'll lose a lot of older players as well, myself included.

I stand by my previous opinion and I absolutely HATE the idea of children and pregnancy in this game. No!

[Genie]

If that ever happens probably I will dedicate few chars to slaughter them and get banned at the end. There are games out of Cantr allowing people to get pregnant and have kids, please go there. Cantr babies is a very macabre thing to me, I rather see direwolf packs everywhere

[Faith]

[...]Cantr babies is a very macabre thing to me[...]

...yep...

Edit to add one more thing:

Child abuse could be acted out ONLY if both players give OOC consent and the abuse is done in private. Pedophillia would be strictly forbidden, with either player risking being banned if they attempt to initiate such acts.

Ough.........

*denies* No, Cantr is Cantr, not a strange mix of FTO. "Babies" spawn with 20 years old and by spontaneous generation
Try to imagine all the concepts (from the real world) that would bring the pregnancy thing; starting by "Only female-male couples are the natural form of family" *she denies again* Nonono.

[Chroma Key]

I still hate it with a burning passion and no amount of amendments will make me change my stance.

It's an awful idea for the numerous reasons already raised, and not within the spirit of Cantr at all.

[NancyLee]

[...]Child abuse could be acted out ONLY if both players give OOC consent[...]

And here's where I stopped reading, as after that quote I am unable to take anything else stated there seriously.


At each tweak of the subject I like it even less, if it is possible to like less the idea of children, babies and pregnant women in cantr. There's one thing that still surprises me quite a lot: in cantr, the possibilities when it comes to lifestyle, social organization, government, etc. are virtually limitless and still we seem to resort to copy over and over real world formulas. While there's a bunch of games that imitate that already, I believe that including that sort of things in cantr would turn it in just another of those games, depriving it from its uniqueness.

Hey, Genie, is there room in that outcasts gang?

[sherman]

Better just keep cantr as it is already.. Since most games are anyway copies of each other. Let's keep cantr unique!