a little exercise to see how much town leaders believe "logs".
the setup: whisper to [person A] "hey can you point out the town leader"
the reply: [person A] whispers back "sure its king mckingson" *points at king mckingson*
the "report": whisper to king mckingson "zomg [person A] wants me to help him killz yuh! look: (1000-0.01 [person A] says to you: imma lollercaust king mckingson, helps me and u'll get phat lewtz lol) quick lock him up!
the result: fun for the whole family
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I am going to have to agree that copying and pasting event logs into IG notes to provide "proof" is 'bad' RP ('saying' events in public is even more horrible). I am also going to admit that I have copied and pasted event logs into IG notes in the past in which both my characters provide them and ask for them in a form on a written "transcript of events" in the game. And I am going to admit that I will likely continue to do so until the norm changes in the game.
Reasons:
- Usually my events amount easily to double digit pages in word document; I don't have the time or necessary motivation to transcribe unless my character is specifically asked for a 'narration' or 'summary' and not a 'transcript' or something else.
- written transcripts are a character's safeguard, usually. They save the unpopular or newspawns from false accusations/lies spread by more popular or elder, respected characters. Not saying that transcripts aren't easily corrupted, which they often are, but to a careful eye, those corruptions can be spotted. For certain, some of your characters have been saved by transcripts. I know a lot of my characters have spared many due to these when the majority would have convicted otherwise.
- narrations suddenly becomes a 'biased story' because it is transformed into a witness testimony. If this were a question of guilt of innocence, expect the case to be drawn out much longer and slower if any one really has the patience to get down to the truth. RL cases are long depending on the magnitude of the crime. Expect Cantr to be longer (not assuming some people are just impatient and would rather just kill your character off than deal with innocence or guilt)
Pro: It'd be nice if everyone were to do this by providing narrated accounts of events. And I'm not just talking about changing 'You say' to 'I said' or even getting rid of the time stamps all together, but to make a fluid story one would actually write as if writing a novel or a written testimony report. It'd open more RP to get down to facts like what detectives do, as well as more opportunities for the criminal system like interrogators.
My take: Fortunately, my life does not depend on needing to prove my character's innocence. But, I'd rather not be disappointed if my character dies if no 'hard core' evidence can be provided after spending that much time investing in my character and then to actually write a report due to lack of patience, attention to detail, physical proof in a text based game, or just plain lack of intelligence. Instead, I'd rather RP in real time with what little free time I can really dedicate when my energy does not go towards my studies or work. It's not realistic for me to invest the frustration of 'proving' my character in a game in which the set up is originally at a disadvantage being only text based.
Reasons:
- Usually my events amount easily to double digit pages in word document; I don't have the time or necessary motivation to transcribe unless my character is specifically asked for a 'narration' or 'summary' and not a 'transcript' or something else.
- written transcripts are a character's safeguard, usually. They save the unpopular or newspawns from false accusations/lies spread by more popular or elder, respected characters. Not saying that transcripts aren't easily corrupted, which they often are, but to a careful eye, those corruptions can be spotted. For certain, some of your characters have been saved by transcripts. I know a lot of my characters have spared many due to these when the majority would have convicted otherwise.
- narrations suddenly becomes a 'biased story' because it is transformed into a witness testimony. If this were a question of guilt of innocence, expect the case to be drawn out much longer and slower if any one really has the patience to get down to the truth. RL cases are long depending on the magnitude of the crime. Expect Cantr to be longer (not assuming some people are just impatient and would rather just kill your character off than deal with innocence or guilt)
Pro: It'd be nice if everyone were to do this by providing narrated accounts of events. And I'm not just talking about changing 'You say' to 'I said' or even getting rid of the time stamps all together, but to make a fluid story one would actually write as if writing a novel or a written testimony report. It'd open more RP to get down to facts like what detectives do, as well as more opportunities for the criminal system like interrogators.
My take: Fortunately, my life does not depend on needing to prove my character's innocence. But, I'd rather not be disappointed if my character dies if no 'hard core' evidence can be provided after spending that much time investing in my character and then to actually write a report due to lack of patience, attention to detail, physical proof in a text based game, or just plain lack of intelligence. Instead, I'd rather RP in real time with what little free time I can really dedicate when my energy does not go towards my studies or work. It's not realistic for me to invest the frustration of 'proving' my character in a game in which the set up is originally at a disadvantage being only text based.
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Wow, I hadn't realized how much I typed up so I split it in two.
Skip this post if you don't care about the fallacies of first person perspection narration vs. recorded events.
Example:
Interrogator: You say you didn't murder our Queen. Yet our Second in Command says he saw you do it.
Accused: But I didn't! I was there, just working on that cask you were asking me to build. It was the Second in Command who killed her - not me!
Interrogator: Our Second in Command has been a loyal servant for more than 30 years. His life is dedicated to protecting the Queen. They have always been close and friendly - he would never do that.
Accused: But he did!
Interrogator: Then explain why the Queen was killed with a steel sabre? A weapon that our Second in Command does not carry. He carries a crossbow. And you carry a steel sabre.
Accused: Lots of people carry a steel sabre. I'm being set up!
Interrogator: Why was it that our Second in Command was wounded and you were a bit tired?
Accused: I attacked him because he had killed the Queen! That was when he came out of the storage room, probably to throw away the sabre he used in there and then went out to accuse me that I had killed the Queen. Look, let me write down everything that happened. You'll see that I'm innocent.
[Interrogator reads the testimony]
Interrogator: 1) What time did you do this? 2) What time did you do that? - you don't remember? How convenient. 3) What time did this occur? - strange, you didn't remember that other time, why do you remember the time this occurred? 4) The Second in Command said you did this at this time. Oh? You didn't? Prove it. 5) You say that he was vicious and animalistic - he's never displayed that kind of behavior to us before. Why should we believe you? 6) Do realize that we're not going to believe you over our Second in Command. We're just wondering if you have the dignity to confess or not. If you do, maybe you'll get off with just prison and work for life. Feel like admitting the truth so we don't waste more time? 7) Still denying, are you? Why were you in the first place? I know you told me - can whoever hired you prove you were supposed to be there? 8) What's his name? What's his position? What's your payment? 9) How can you prove that you weren't staking out here for the perfect opportunity to kill the next one who was brought inside here to heal their wounds up? 10) What do you own? Do you have any material greed? 11) We're doing a weight test. Hand me everything, keys included so we can also inspect your house. 12) Oh? You'd rather not? What are you hiding? 13) Is there something in there that you don't want us to find? 14) You tell me - what are you hiding? 15) What was said between the Second in Command and the Queen while you were inside? 16) Is that all? 17) Second in Command said he said this. Why did you leave that out? 18) Didn't think it was important? What makes you decide what is important or not? 19) First you don't remember the times, then you start holding information from us because you didn't think they were important - you got something to hide? 20) etc. to 200.
I think the shortcomings are sans explanation.
Simple compromise:
I'll change 'you say' to 'I said' and 'you see/hear' to 'I saw/heard'. Maybe I'll narrate emotes if I really have the time (guess it depends on the length of the entire event). But the formatting, time, and spoken content of event logs will remain unchanged for my convenience.
The end. Okay, back to work.
Skip this post if you don't care about the fallacies of first person perspection narration vs. recorded events.
Example:
Interrogator: You say you didn't murder our Queen. Yet our Second in Command says he saw you do it.
Accused: But I didn't! I was there, just working on that cask you were asking me to build. It was the Second in Command who killed her - not me!
Interrogator: Our Second in Command has been a loyal servant for more than 30 years. His life is dedicated to protecting the Queen. They have always been close and friendly - he would never do that.
Accused: But he did!
Interrogator: Then explain why the Queen was killed with a steel sabre? A weapon that our Second in Command does not carry. He carries a crossbow. And you carry a steel sabre.
Accused: Lots of people carry a steel sabre. I'm being set up!
Interrogator: Why was it that our Second in Command was wounded and you were a bit tired?
Accused: I attacked him because he had killed the Queen! That was when he came out of the storage room, probably to throw away the sabre he used in there and then went out to accuse me that I had killed the Queen. Look, let me write down everything that happened. You'll see that I'm innocent.
[Interrogator reads the testimony]
Interrogator: 1) What time did you do this? 2) What time did you do that? - you don't remember? How convenient. 3) What time did this occur? - strange, you didn't remember that other time, why do you remember the time this occurred? 4) The Second in Command said you did this at this time. Oh? You didn't? Prove it. 5) You say that he was vicious and animalistic - he's never displayed that kind of behavior to us before. Why should we believe you? 6) Do realize that we're not going to believe you over our Second in Command. We're just wondering if you have the dignity to confess or not. If you do, maybe you'll get off with just prison and work for life. Feel like admitting the truth so we don't waste more time? 7) Still denying, are you? Why were you in the first place? I know you told me - can whoever hired you prove you were supposed to be there? 8) What's his name? What's his position? What's your payment? 9) How can you prove that you weren't staking out here for the perfect opportunity to kill the next one who was brought inside here to heal their wounds up? 10) What do you own? Do you have any material greed? 11) We're doing a weight test. Hand me everything, keys included so we can also inspect your house. 12) Oh? You'd rather not? What are you hiding? 13) Is there something in there that you don't want us to find? 14) You tell me - what are you hiding? 15) What was said between the Second in Command and the Queen while you were inside? 16) Is that all? 17) Second in Command said he said this. Why did you leave that out? 18) Didn't think it was important? What makes you decide what is important or not? 19) First you don't remember the times, then you start holding information from us because you didn't think they were important - you got something to hide? 20) etc. to 200.
I think the shortcomings are sans explanation.
Simple compromise:
I'll change 'you say' to 'I said' and 'you see/hear' to 'I saw/heard'. Maybe I'll narrate emotes if I really have the time (guess it depends on the length of the entire event). But the formatting, time, and spoken content of event logs will remain unchanged for my convenience.
The end. Okay, back to work.
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I have done it myself -- once..
Was too tired to write a long reaction...
Was too tired to write a long reaction...
- Every person lost in war is two too many.
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- What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
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- Respect comes from two sides and must be earned. Nobody has the right to it because of a title, sex, age, race or birth.
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mikki wrote:I can't stand it when you are rp'ing sex in particular and what you put as actions, the other person doesn't even respond. When that happens, I write something quick and quite boring to be honest.
Yeah, eh? When you're like "*cuddle hug stroke kiss*" and they're like "Oh honey i love uuu" and you go "*starts taking off own clothes*" and they're like "really hawttt".
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*Wiro wrote:mikki wrote:I can't stand it when you are rp'ing sex in particular and what you put as actions, the other person doesn't even respond. When that happens, I write something quick and quite boring to be honest.
Yeah, eh? When you're like "*cuddle hug stroke kiss*" and they're like "Oh honey i love uuu" and you go "*starts taking off own clothes*" and they're like "really hawttt".
Not guilty there..
Happened to me once, though..
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*Wiro wrote:mikki wrote:I can't stand it when you are rp'ing sex in particular and what you put as actions, the other person doesn't even respond. When that happens, I write something quick and quite boring to be honest.
Yeah, eh? When you're like "*cuddle hug stroke kiss*" and they're like "Oh honey i love uuu" and you go "*starts taking off own clothes*" and they're like "really hawttt".
lmfao.. No I am referring more to the my char does these things to your char and you KNOW it should get some kind of reaction.. But nothing. But you respond to what the other char does to yours. *rolls eyes* I get to the point that after being ignored from my actions, I respond with something short and sweet. I mean come on.
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