How common is sex in Cantr?

[wichita]

I don't think Anthony's post was supporting rape roleplay specifically, but instead supporting the <u>freedom</u> and <u>right</u> for consenting parties to engage in its roleplay. I hope I am interpreting properly. It's the concept of <u>freedom</u> and <u>right</u> is hailed as the cornerstone of <i>free society</i>, not the specific activities that are being conducted within those rights.

Personally I would hope that nobody is actively seeking out routine rape or violence roleplay situations and would be incredibly reluctant to act them out in my own gaming situations as they are experiences that I am not personally ready to explore at this particular time. Some people on the other hand might be personally ready to explore the situation, and they should have the freedom to pursue that <i>reponsibly</i>.

Anthony raises the good point about the incredible potential for character development that traumatic violence (in whatever form) holds. The beauty of Cantr and the reason I have found myself so quickly involved in it is because it is so openly structured and can be focused on the <i>roleplay</i> rather than on the semantics of what programming is behind the buttons on the screen or what pictures the artist behind the mouse can provide to the screen. It provides something that Civ, Nintendo, Play Station, etc (great game sources in their own rights) can never achieve (without making <i>The Matrix</i> prophetic I can't rule out the theoretical potential of AI) and that is the freedom to insert whatever user defined action the player would like to incorporate into the game. It allows incorporation of emotional and mental development that goes beyond how many bad guys you can kill or how much stuff you can build. It allows you to actually interact with another human being playing a character just like you without having to find the group of people in one place, organize the meeting, etc. It allows you to play out those interactions that can't be defined by a rule book or computer algorithms. That's something I have never had in gaming, yet have always been looking for.

It is true that it comes down to preference about what each individual player is looking for from the game. Some just want to click the buttons and build stuff and be perfectly happy interacting with the scripted NPC dialog. If you are one of those people that is fine and I hope that you continue to find enjoyment in Cantr or whatever game you find that fulfills such needs. I but more than that I hope that we are able to maintain the potential for Cantr holds, because -- frankly -- if what you are really looking for a scripted, rules-based, programmed fantasy game there are plenty out there to chose from. Cantr is special.

But...those are just some of my opinions. I might be wrong.

[Pirog]

Anthony>

I have actually not asked for rape to be programmed.
Having an actual "rape button" would look very weird...especially considering how basic Cantr still is.

Asking about it OOC is a good suggestion though. That is what I would do...I even make sure to do that when RPing for example regular sexual contacts, to check with the other player how graphic they prefer it to be.

And we won't stop bickering...ever. I thought you knew that by now.

Chrissy>

I agree with what you said...but just out of princple....Zelda is as (if not more) violent than San Andreas is. It is just hiding the violence and killing behind a cute fasade. It's a cool game though...just like the Mario games, Okage...and San Andreas

[Anthony Roberts]

Maybe not a rape "button", but you were going on about a rape "project".

That's just as bad.

It's like... a project for dragging. You'd need several participants to complete the project (Holy crap, gangbang... I mean... erm...) or that one person would take a long time to compelte it, or something, but the point is... that's just as weird as pressing a button...

And Zelda IS more violent than San Andreas. Sure, in San Andreas you can kill people, but in Zelda you kill ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, and you MILK COWS (That's digusting), wear MASKS (With nasty germs), and play some ancient instrumental piece of equipment (That someone ELSE probably played using their nose.) - Zelda is more violent and more disgusting, all put into a cartoon world.

Plus, you know, killing cute things is just 'effing cruel.

[Pirog]

Maybe not a rape "button", but you were going on about a rape "project".

Really? What the hell did I think about there...
I have been talking about an "intercourse project" that you could force people into by threats of violence. That project would of course not be used for rape, but for regular sex and having children...what I have pointed out is just the possibility to threat people into having sex with you.

[Chrissy]

I prefer the cute fasade, versus the graphics of heads being blown off and blood squirting out.

C.

[Pirog]

But I think the squirting blood makes you less inspired to use violence on other IRL.

[kinvoya]

But I think the squirting blood makes you less inspired to use violence on other IRL.

I'm hoping that playing a game wouldn't "inspire" anyone to commit RL violence but, since I'm not convinced that that is actually true, I refer you to all of the rape discussion above and say once again that rape is not something that I would like to have take place in Cantr in any form.

Somehow it is just too squicky to think of a forced sex "project" (not that I think this will ever exist) or any kind of rape role-playing. Many things are different in Cantr than in RL. I'd like to think that rape just isn't even a possibility there just as, if children ever exist, there will be no child-molestation. Just tooooo horendous for a game that is about fun.

Even though murder and other kinds of killing exist in Cantr I, personally, think of it as a sort of "cartoon" death. I can watch cartoon characters get hurt or die without any trauma but if I saw a cartoon rape, that would be crossing the line for me. Yeah, I know they probably exist somewhere (what doesn't?) but I'm glad I've never seen any.

[Lumin]

I have been talking about an "intercourse project" that you could force people into by threats of violence. That project would of course not be used for rape, but for regular sex and having children...what I have pointed out is just the possibility to threat people into having sex with you.

You know, I've been pretty much opposed to the idea all along, but for some reason reading that just convinced me I wouldn't mind sex or even rape in Cantr...under certain circumstances.

So okay, IF children are implemented, and IF it's done via an intercourse project, I would be okay with one character "forcing" another character to go along with it, as long as the system itself ensures OOC consent. ie: Bob threatens to kill Sue unless she agrees to have children with him, but the whole thing hinges on both Bob and Sue's player clicking the little button to start the project. If Sue's player doesn't feel comfortable with the idea, or simply thinks Sue wouldn't stand for that, she can take her chances of being injured by refusing or trying to escape, just like she would if Bob were some common run-of-the-mill bandit instead of a would-be rapist. (Of course, there's still the issue of how graphic/non-graphic the actual RP would be, but the most important potential problem is avoided when the "victim" gives the green flag by agreeing to join the project.)

Edit: Going a little off topic here, but arranged marriages would be fun, too.

[Pirog]

So okay, IF children are implemented, and IF it's done via an intercourse project, I would be okay with one character "forcing" another character to go along with it, as long as the system itself ensures OOC consent. ie: Bob threatens to kill Sue unless she agrees to have children with him, but the whole thing hinges on both Bob and Sue's player clicking the little button to start the project. If Sue's player doesn't feel comfortable with the idea, or simply thinks Sue wouldn't stand for that, she can take her chances of being injured by refusing or trying to escape, just like she would if Bob were some common run-of-the-mill bandit instead of a would-be rapist. (Of course, there's still the issue of how graphic/non-graphic the actual RP would be, but the most important potential problem is avoided when the "victim" gives the green flag by agreeing to join the project.)

Yes, this is exactly how I would like it to work!

[Bubba]

Now the question is how long the project should be. lol

[Sunni Daez]

*laughs* I would say something to that but....... I will be nice

[kroner]

So okay, IF children are implemented, and IF it's done via an intercourse project, I would be okay with one character "forcing" another character to go along with it, as long as the system itself ensures OOC consent. ie: Bob threatens to kill Sue unless she agrees to have children with him, but the whole thing hinges on both Bob and Sue's player clicking the little button to start the project. If Sue's player doesn't feel comfortable with the idea, or simply thinks Sue wouldn't stand for that, she can take her chances of being injured by refusing or trying to escape, just like she would if Bob were some common run-of-the-mill bandit instead of a would-be rapist. (Of course, there's still the issue of how graphic/non-graphic the actual RP would be, but the most important potential problem is avoided when the "victim" gives the green flag by agreeing to join the project.)

Yes, this is exactly how I would like it to work!

that's fine with me too. although graphic rp still doesn't sit well with me.
(pirog> i don't personally have a problem with graphic violence or sexual content, but i'm sure there are people who do.)

[Pirog]

kroner>

It is quite easy to avoid it if you don't like it though.

[kroner]

the arguement i was making is that no, you can't avoid it if you allow rped rape.

[Pirog]

I don't think that someone RPing a rape in detail would be that graphic un their first sentence...so there would probably be some warning. And the current system allows it too.