Bows

[rklenseth]

I was just pointing out that not all composite bows were better.
In real life I'm a weapon smith/flecher/bowyer/armourer as well as a user of various weapons, so this is a subject close to my heart.
The composite bow is a native american recurve, but it's only a 50lb bow compared to the 120lb longbow and 130lb Yumi. I use western archery and Kyudo in my shooting both hunting and targets. It really is the bow that is the weak part of the chain.

I've also made a non-cantr topic to discuss our various combat equipments. Maybe we'll get some tips from each other.

I personally don't like longbows. I'm more of recurve or even compound shooter. Are you finger shooting or release shooting advocate? I really get into that controversy alot as I am a finger shooter rather than a release.

Anyways, since you are these things in real life perhaps you can help me review what I have so far and if there are any needed improvements. I'll send you a pm sometime tonight. Any complaints about current swords? Anything we can improve on?

I make bowstring and arrows but I don't make bows and little of what I teach actually go into the subject of making the bow itself. Are there any special tools and the such? For the bowstring making we have the string jig and the server and simply use hemp, silk, or cotton yarn currently. I might want to change that to string rather than yarn but I working with what I have at the moment. Right now the only tools I am using for making the bow is the bow stringer and a bow square. Any advice would be appreciated.

[Antichrist_Online]

Release with the Yumi, finger with the longbow.

Kinfe/Plane should be used as the surface curve need to be relitively smooth to prevent splinters.

The current sword blade could use a little water to symbolise tempering. Mud and clay mix is used on katana blades so maybe the sabre could use that? It would be in small amounts but it has major effects on the blades in real life. About six inches of cut into a pigs side to give an example.

Perhaps splitting weapon damage into different groups would also be a good idea. (Eg, Piercing, slashing and blunt.) This would mean shield would need three armour values though. Iron shields are good against slashing but piercing would get throught easier. Bodkins versus leaf shaped arrow heads is tech development like this.

I'll talk later on about other changes, just these were already in my mind and I have a poor short term memory.

[rklenseth]

I already have a knife involved in bow making because we have a bone knife and I would like to see a stone knife get added as well. So a plane would be the only other thing that you would add? One could make a plane out of wood so maybe that would be another tool to add.

And I am always looking for other uses for water so perhaps adding water to the process would be an idea. I'll bring it up. Thanks.

The slash, pierce and blunt damage values is something I want to see which would allow us to incorporate things like armor. But because this would take exstensive programming I think such an idea of revamping the violence system is on a back burner now.

You should read my old posts on fixing the violence system.

[nitefyre]

It's nice to see you're back on the beat of weapons changes, RKL. Thanks for all your work. Also, since I know little about bows, except for that time I... nevermind yeah...uhhh the topic's interesting knowledge wise.

[The Industriallist]

About the glue, though...I really doubt that any composite bows were made without glue. I suggested a while ago that glue could be made with hide and water. (also fuel for heating and a suitable heating machine...oven, or maybe just fire pit)

Glue also would help solve some silly problems in the realm of furniture...

(Yes, I'm pushing a past suggestion that seems to have dropped out of sight.)

[Agar]

All these advanced bows with new or additional tools and resources is all well and good, but how many of us still have Bone Knives?

*everyone raises thier hands*

So about those:

primitive cavemen bows.

There are some of us in primitive societies, with wood close at hand and bones. An easy to make wooden bow with bone tools would be appreciated. When Animals start dropping sinew, we'd like to use them for bowstrings (and garrottes), but untill then, a primitive bow with primitive damage is good for the balance of Cantr.

[The Industriallist]

Actually, leaving it out would justify the billy club...

[rklenseth]

About the glue, though...I really doubt that any composite bows were made without glue. I suggested a while ago that glue could be made with hide and water. (also fuel for heating and a suitable heating machine...oven, or maybe just fire pit)

Glue also would help solve some silly problems in the realm of furniture...

(Yes, I'm pushing a past suggestion that seems to have dropped out of sight.)

Actually most composite bows today use to a bolt to keep them together.

I never said that glue wasn't a good idea. I will suggest it in the Resource Department. In fact it is another thing for the use of water of which I am advocate of using.

[rklenseth]

All these advanced bows with new or additional tools and resources is all well and good, but how many of us still have Bone Knives?

*everyone raises thier hands*

So about those:

primitive cavemen bows.

There are some of us in primitive societies, with wood close at hand and bones. An easy to make wooden bow with bone tools would be appreciated. When Animals start dropping sinew, we'd like to use them for bowstrings (and garrottes), but untill then, a primitive bow with primitive damage is good for the balance of Cantr.

I think I said above in my post that one of the main tools for making a bow will be a knife.

[The Sociologist]

There are some of us in primitive societies, with wood close at hand and bones. An easy to make wooden bow with bone tools would be appreciated. When Animals start dropping sinew, we'd like to use them for bowstrings (and garrottes), but untill then, a primitive bow with primitive damage is good for the balance of Cantr.

I agree entirely. Also, what happened to bone spears? A character of mine made one just a few days ago, now my new forest character can't even seem to make that. He seems pretty much ruined, in fact.

Considering how busily Jos runs back and forth adding Cantr to various sites and asking people to vote, then I'm not sure that what just happened to the weapons list was exactly the ultimate in PR.
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[rklenseth]

Nothing here. No really. Nothing here. Just a double post.

[rklenseth]

There are some of us in primitive societies, with wood close at hand and bones. An easy to make wooden bow with bone tools would be appreciated. When Animals start dropping sinew, we'd like to use them for bowstrings (and garrottes), but untill then, a primitive bow with primitive damage is good for the balance of Cantr.

I agree entirely. Also, what happened to bone spears? A character of mine made one just a few days ago, now my new forest character can't even seem to make that. He seems pretty much ruined, in fact.

Considering how busily Jos runs back and forth adding Cantr to various sites and asking people to vote, then I'm not sure that what just happened to the weapons list was exactly the ultimate in PR.
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Cantr is a game that is enternally in the progress of being made. We change things and sometimes even take things out.

We're doing this to make the game more interesting and in my opinion a little more realistic. Otherwise it could have stayed changeless from where it was since I joined Cantr 2 years ago. I would say that a good portion of what you have now didn't exist or was much easier to get then it is now. Just to prove my point, steel was a raw resource that could be extracted from the ground when I first joined. Animals did not exist. Bodies that died inside buildings mysteriouly ended up outside. No population ecentric spawning. Iron was a raw resource taken from the ground. The War Bow, Sabre, Sword, and Iron Shield were just as easy to build as a Hunting Bow or Wooden Shield. The two main tools was a trowel and a hammer (since you could build almost anything with them) and most everything else was either used for building just one thing and then was useless for anything else. The dung fork was the best weapons/tool because you could use to fight and gather food at the same time. You couldn't knock on doors. Clothes didn't exist. Lots and lots of bugs and bandwidth problems that often took Cantr off line for days if not months if not even longer at a time. Over those two years Cantr has been improved upon and made better and we are continuing that but sometimes that creates some hicups in the game but in the end we will get everything back together and made better. Trust me.

[joshua johnson]

After all.....It's FREE!

[Slowness_Incarnate]

There are serious problem with these bows. The former warbow, or now..recurve composite..something, now does 37 damamge. That is more than a sabre which seems to do 32. A longbows now does more than 20 damage, I don't know exactly what it is, but it is higher than before. What is going on?

[rklenseth]

There are serious problem with these bows. The former warbow, or now..recurve composite..something, now does 37 damamge. That is more than a sabre which seems to do 32. A longbows now does more than 20 damage, I don't know exactly what it is, but it is higher than before. What is going on?

Hunting Bow damage was slightly raised since it will be harder to make. War Bow damage was not changed.

You must also take note that weapons do random damage now rather than a set damage like in the past.