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Postby Missy » Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:48 pm

Hm, TDA, whatever they are, I despise them. *Glares at Mavsfan.*


Dunno about StoneKnights really, I had a char who was a stonecutter, but that was about 4 in-game years ago. They treated my char really good. :)


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Postby The Industriallist » Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:07 pm

Even their founder doesn't know what the name stands for. I found that to be really funny.
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Postby nitefyre » Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:19 pm

The Industriallist wrote:But you still can't walk into seatown and say "I'm forming an army to pilliage the drojf hills! Who's with me?"

At least I don't think so. Chances are you would be cut down by old folks with sabres. And its difficult to find places with populations, but no old 'defenders of the peace'


It's just sad if someone comes into a place, barging in asking people to join them. I mean seriously, even modern society he'll be outcasted in most cases and what not.

There's many less subtle ways of doing it, (for all you people who lack initiative) such as befriending people, then presenting them the oppurtunity. Plus in most cases the people who want to start uprisings, don't have more than hunting bows. Have the proper stuff before making you look a fool.
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Postby Mavsfan911 » Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:26 pm

The Industriallist wrote:Even their founder doesn't know what the name stands for. I found that to be really funny.


:lol:
I found that funny too, when Jimmy first asked.
Apparently, it's an old organization.
But the point is.. Jimmy wins!
But nothing personal towards Missy or Rev, of course. :wink:
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Postby The Industriallist » Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:37 pm

You can do some pretty good pillaging with hunting bows. IF you have a decent group.

For a decent raiding party, you want at least 6 people (well, maybe five, if you really trust them). Do you think you want to individually recruit all of them by building friendships strong enough that an unexpected bout of morals won't get you spitted?

If I were doing this, I would want to be able to get the equipment and people together in maybe 2 years. In that time it would be dificult to cultivate more than a couple of good friends. I don't need my people to love me, just to have enough greed and sense to follow the plan.

It's just sad most of the time, when the person is offering you the amazing opportunity to become one of the first members of 'the order of the wise' or some such group, with no resources, no plan, and no expectation of profit. I don't see why it's sad if they're looking for help in a short term project like this.

P.S.: I haven't organized any groups yet, by any means.
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Postby nitefyre » Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:42 pm

The Industriallist wrote:You can do some pretty good pillaging with hunting bows. IF you have a decent group.

For a decent raiding party, you want at least 6 people (well, maybe five, if you really trust them). Do you think you want to individually recruit all of them by building friendships strong enough that an unexpected bout of morals won't get you spitted?

If I were doing this, I would want to be able to get the equipment and people together in maybe 2 years. In that time it would be dificult to cultivate more than a couple of good friends. I don't need my people to love me, just to have enough greed and sense to follow the plan.

It's just sad most of the time, when the person is offering you the amazing opportunity to become one of the first members of 'the order of the wise' or some such group, with no resources, no plan, and no expectation of profit. I don't see why it's sad if they're looking for help in a short term project like this.

P.S.: I haven't organized any groups yet, by any means.


That's the same story about what I was talking about, with these orders, KoTR and such, they've got nothing, no capitol. When people aren't bonded to you, they won't trust you, and if they're just as greedy, they'll be suspicious of you and backstab most likely. When they have as fucked up morals as you, I wouldn't trust them either. Loyalty through friendship is underestimated.

p.s. I have, and one from scratch.
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Postby The Industriallist » Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:53 pm

I probably dounderestimate loyalty through friendship. But if your entire organization is composed of your personal friends, it isn't going to be very large. It may be powerful, as such things are measured in Cantr, but that's only because there aren't armies that run on anything else.

How did real life bandits form groups? I don't know if anyone knows, but I bet it wasn't:
Farmer bob and his friends have been neighbors for years, pulling carrots for a scanty living. Bob realizes that they could could live much more richly if they armed themselves and raided the next town. All Bob's friends decide that this is a good idea.
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Postby nitefyre » Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:56 pm

The Industriallist wrote:I probably dounderestimate loyalty through friendship. But if your entire organization is composed of your personal friends, it isn't going to be very large. It may be powerful, as such things are measured in Cantr, but that's only because there aren't armies that run on anything else.

How did real life bandits form groups? I don't know if anyone knows, but I bet it wasn't:
Farmer bob and his friends have been neighbors for years, pulling carrots for a scanty living. Bob realizes that they could could live much more richly if they armed themselves and raided the next town. All Bob's friends decide that this is a good idea.


Put it this way, it's much easier to convince your friends to do something but a complete stranger. Also it is much more subtle. And I don't mind it when a sabre cuts through some moron who comes into town thinking we're all gonna volunteer for his pussy army-
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Postby TheTheorist » Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:42 am

I had someone in the Malinago clan, well possibly he still is, or one of the last survivors as he hasn't seen any senior members for years and thinks they're dead. There are may be plans to bring them back though, depending on the other survivors that were left behind. :D

Tribe Blackrock rules. End of.

The MacGregors bore me. They have all this lore going round about them and if you read the notes they leave around they're intimidating but there's more action in a nuns knickers than there is round there...

Never been anywhere near Olip... ever... maybe I'll go see...
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Postby Missy » Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:50 am

I liked the Malinago clan too. I didn't have anyone in it, but my char liked them.
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Postby TheTheorist » Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:52 am

Regards forming a clan, I have started a small group of people that have worked together as friends and work together towards the same goal. Once they have accomplished this together it will give them an advantage. Maybe a clan will come of this... I'm yet to see... Got the best name for them though if it does and all the friends are female so far :P
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Postby Revanael » Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:09 am

Which one of the Clan were you, Theorist?
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Postby nitefyre » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:21 pm

TheTheorist wrote:Regards forming a clan, I have started a small group of people that have worked together as friends and work together towards the same goal. Once they have accomplished this together it will give them an advantage. Maybe a clan will come of this... I'm yet to see... Got the best name for them though if it does and all the friends are female so far :P


<char name>'s Angels?

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Postby Jur Schagen » Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:07 am

TheTheorist wrote:I had someone in the Malinago clan, well possibly he still is, or one of the last survivors as he hasn't seen any senior members for years and thinks they're dead. There are may be plans to bring them back though, depending on the other survivors that were left behind. :D


Maximiliaan is alive... doesn't know about the rest being exterminated either... that's the shit about these forums, makes RP-ing that much harder...
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Postby Revanael » Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:31 am

Sorry about that, Jur... Tell me what happens when he returns, would you?

Last I heard, the clansmen were still alive.

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