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Re: OOC shenanigans

Postby Axiom » Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:44 am

Marian wrote:
Kyriel wrote:I've been considering taking over a town and renaming it "Texas". I mean, there's an Amsterdam and such somewhere, right? :wink:


There are cowboy hats and horses and lassos and ponchos and boots already. Clearly Texas is a concept that already exists IG.

:lol: Town laws require a certain number of y'alls per sentence?
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Re: OOC shenanigans

Postby Marian » Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:25 am

Axiom wrote:
Marian wrote:
Kyriel wrote:I've been considering taking over a town and renaming it "Texas". I mean, there's an Amsterdam and such somewhere, right? :wink:


There are cowboy hats and horses and lassos and ponchos and boots already. Clearly Texas is a concept that already exists IG.

:lol: Town laws require a certain number of y'alls per sentence?


You can be fined if your belt buckle isn't ostentatious enough.
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Re: OOC shenanigans

Postby Snickie » Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:44 am

This is my stance on the issue:

My characters have no idea that anything (literature, art, etc) IG might have originated from the OOC universe, and so they react to it in their own way regardless of the original original source material. To immediately dismiss it IG simply because you the player know that it existed first OOCly is a violation in and of itself because you made that decision as you instead of your character. The stuff already exists in the game, it's done, let's roll with it.

That's not to say I condone the usage of OOC copyrighted materials. Most if not all of whatever material I use or put in-game is either parodied or made up (I say most because I probably did some stupid stuff as a new player five years ago that would disqualify the usage of the word "all"). Occasionally I'll reference an OOC thing in an emote to give a comparative image to whatever it is my character is doing, and I think that's fine too.

And that's all I have to say about that.
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Re: OOC shenanigans

Postby Marian » Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:01 am

I think this sort of thing was just enforced much more loosely back in the day. Pretty sure the whole Donii thing would have never been allowed to get off the ground if someone tried to pull that crap now.

Also I've got an envelope full of notes called the Empty Hand papers, bunch of copy and pasted stuff from karate manual that has sections that talk about guns. I asked to get them deleted once and they're still there. Just have to cart the gross things around forever in a trash envelope with the Mother's Song I guess. :(
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Re: OOC shenanigans

Postby Marian » Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:49 am

Just rereading the Mother's Song, I'd almost forgotten how awful and utterly, blatantly, disgustingly inappropriate for Cantr it was.

The Mothers Song

Out of the darkness, the chaos of time
The whirlwind gave birth to the mother sublime.
She awoke to Herself knowing life had great worth,
The dark empty void grieved the Great Mother Earth.

The Mother was lonely. She was the only.

From the dust of Her birth She created another,
A pale shining friend, a companion, a brother.
They grew up together, learned to love and to care,
And when she was ready they decided to pair.

Around her he’d hover. Her pale shining lover.

She was happy at first with Her one counterpart.
Then the Mother grew restless, unsure in Her heart.
She loved Her far friend, Her dear complement,
But something was missing, Her love was unspent.

She was the Mother. She needed another.

She dared the great void, the chaos, the dark,
To find the cold home of the life giving spark.
The whirlwind was fearsome, the darkness complete.
Chaos was freezing, and reached out for Her heat.

The Mother was brave. The danger was grave.

She drew from cold chaos the creative source,
Then conceiving within, She fled with life-force.
She grew with the life that She carried inside,
And gave of Herself with love and with pride.

The Mother was bearing. Her life She was sharing.

The dark empty void and the vast barren Earth,
With anticipation, awaited the birth.
Life drank from Her blood, it breathed from Her bones,
It split her skin open and sundered her stones.

The Mother was giving. Another was living.

Her gushing birth waters filled rivers and seas,
And flooded the land, giving rise to the trees.
From each precious drop new grass and leaves grew,
And lush verdant plants made all the Earth new.

Her waters were flowing. New green was growing.

In violent labour spewing fire and strife,
She struggled in pain to give birth to new life.
Her dried clotted blood turned to red-ochred soil,
But the radiant child made it all worth the toil.

The Mothers great joy. A bright shining boy.

Mountains rose up , spouting flames from their crests,
She nurtured Her son from Her mountainous breasts.
He suckled so hard, the sparks flew so high,
The Mothers hot milk, lay a path through the sky.

His life had begun. She nourished Her son.

He laughed and he played, he grew bib and bright,
He it up the darkness the mothers delight.
She lavished her love, he grew bright and strong,
But soon he matured, not a child for long.

Her son was near grown. His mind was his own.

She took from the source for the life She’d begun.
Now cold empty chaos was enticing Her son.
The Mother gave love, but the youth longed for more,
For knowledge, excitement, to travel, explore.

Chaos was Her foe. But Her son yearned to go.

He stole from Her side as the Great Mother slept,
While out of the dark swirling void chaos crept.
With tempting inducements the darkness beguiled,
Deceived by the whirlwind chaos captured Her child.

The dark took her son. The young brilliant one.

The Mothers bright child, at first overjoyed,
Was soon overwhelmed by the bleak frigid void.
Her unwary offspring, consumed with remorse,
Could not escape the mysterious force.

Chaos would not free. Her rash progeny.

But just as the dark pulled him into the cold,
The mother woke up, reached out and caught hold.
To help Her recover Her radiant son,
The Mother appealed to the pale shining one.

She told of Her grief. And the dark swirling thief.

The Mother was tired, She had to recover,
She loosened Her hold to Her luminous lover.
While She was sleeping, he fought the cold force,
And for a time drove it back to the source.

His spirit was strong. The encounter too long.

Her fair shining friend struggled hard, gave his best,
The conflict was bitter, the struggle hard pressed.
His vigilance waned as he closed his great eye,
Then darkness crept close, stole his light from the sky.

Her pale friend was tiring. His light was expiring.

When darkness was total, She awoke with a cry.
The tenebrious void hid the light from the sky.
She joined in the conflict, was quick to defend,
And drove the dark shadow away from her friend.

But the pale face of night. Let Her son out of sight.

Trapped by the whirlwind, Her bright fiery son,
Gave no warmth to the Earth, cold chaos had won.
The fertile green life was now ice and snow,
And a sharp piercing wind continued to blow.

The Earth was bereft. No green plants were left.

The Mother was weary, grieving and worn,
But She reached out again for the life She had borne.
She couldn’t give up, She needed to strive,
For the glorious light of Her son to survive.

She continued to fight. To bring back the light.

And Her luminous friend was prepared to contest,
The thief who held captive the child of Her breast.
Together they fought for the son She adored.
Their efforts succeeded, his light was restored.

His energy burned. His brilliance returned.

But the bleak frigid dark craved his bright glowing heat,
The Mother defended and would not retreat.
The whirlwind pulled hard, She refused to let go,
She fought to a draw with Her dark swirling foe.

She held darkness at bay. But Her son was away.


When She fought the whirlwind and made chaos flee,
The light from Her son glowed with vitality.
When the Mother grew tired, the bleak void held sway,
And darkness returned at the end of the day.

She felt warmth from Her son. But neither had won.

The Great Mother lived with the pain in her heart,
That She and Her son were forever apart.
She ached for the child that had been denied,
So She quickened once more from the life force inside.

She was not reconciled. To the loss of Her child.

When She was ready, Her waters of birth,
Brought back the life to the cold barren Earth.
And the tears of her loss abundantly spilled,
Made dew drops that sparkled and rainbows that thrilled.

Birth waters brought green. But Her tears could be seen.

With a thunderous roar Her stones split asunder,
And from the great cave that opened deep under,
She birthed once again from her cavernous room,
And brought forth the Children of Earth from her womb.

From the Mother forlorn. More children were born.

Each child was different, some large and some small,
Some could walk and some fly, some could walk and some crawl.
But each form was perfect, each spirit complete,
Each was a model whose shape could repeat.

The Mother was willing. The green Earth was filling.

All the birds and the fish and the animals born,
Would not leave the Mother, this time, to mourn.
Each kind would live near the place of its birth,
And share the expanse of the Great Mother Earth.

Close to Her they would stay. They could not run away.

They all were Her children, they filled Her with pride,
But they used up the life-force she carried inside.
She had enough left for a last innovation,
A child who’d remember Who made the creation.

A child who’d respect. And learn to protect.


First woman was born full-grown and alive,
And given the Gifts she would need to survive.
Life was the First Gift, and like Mother Earth,
She woke to herself knowing life had great worth.

First woman defined. The first of her kind.

Next was the Gift of Perception, of learning,
The desire to know, the Gift of Discerning.
First Woman was given the knowledge within,
That would help her to live, and pass on to her kin.

First Woman would know. How to learn, how to grow.

Her life force near gone, The Mother was spent,
To pass on Life’s Spirit had been Her intent.
She caused all Her children to create life anew,
And Woman was blessed to bring forth life too.

But Woman was lonely. She was the only.

The Mother remembered Her own loneliness,
The love of her friend and his hovering caress.
With the last spark remaining, her labour began,
To share life with woman, She created first man.

Again She was giving. One more was living.

To Woman and Man the Mother gave birth,
And then for their home She gave them the Earth,
The water, the land and all Her creation,
To use them with care was their obligation.

It was their home to use. But not to abuse.

For the Children of Earth the Mother provided,
The Gifts to survive, and then She decided.
To give them the Gift of Pleasure and sharing,
That honours the mother with the joy of their paring.

The Gifts are well learned. When honours returned.

The Mother was pleased with the pair She created,
She taught them to love and to care when they mated.
She made them desire to join with each other,
The Gift of their Pleasures came from the Mother

Before She was through. Her children loved too.
Earth’s Children were blessed. The Mother could rest.


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Who read that and went yup! Makes sense to steal that for Cantr! Shame on whoever started this up and shame on the people who took it and ran with it, even if they didn't recognize it as plagiarism there's all these completely OOC concepts sticking out like a sore thumb that should have rang a few warning bells.

Kind of funny in hindsight that we were over there getting worked up over a mention of Colorado and Jamaica...can't really compare to volcano breastmillk and childbirth from a cave womb.

...now if you'll excuse me I'm off to create an original IG religion. Don't wanna break the four day rule but here's a sneak peak at the first line:
"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."


The note is gonna be HUGE when I finish and it's really going to take off and become popular, I can just feel it. Might have to wait a few days until my computer is back up because the clickfest associated with making 100+ uneditable copies and also copy and pasting it on the radio might be too tough on just a tablet.
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Re: OOC shenanigans

Postby Wolfsong » Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:42 am

Keep searching through those old notes. You'll find some stuff that rivals Donii, IMO, for OOC wtf-ness.
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Re: OOC shenanigans

Postby SekoETC » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:12 am

I once found a note with a picture of Dani Filth on it.
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Re: OOC shenanigans

Postby Frankoniusz » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:40 am

A little bit off topic, but what about talking about nationality? I always was very caution about that, in Polish Zone, people don't talk about english people, polish language, spanish or something. We got our zamordki (English/foreign people), olki (Spanish) or "those f*ckers" (Actually, everyone), but when I was in English zone they are talking openly "Polish town" "polish ship". Why is that so? Who are the English people in Cantr? There is no England.

Isn't that OOC talking?
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Re: OOC shenanigans

Postby SekoETC » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:47 am

It sort of is but it's so ingrained that it would be impossible to weed it out at this point. Good thing the Polish have zamordki, but what if you want to differentiate between different kinds of zamordki?
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Re: OOC shenanigans

Postby sherman » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:51 am

That's kinda hard actually, everyone kinda uses nationalities in english zone so it would be really hard to change it now.. And what word we would use anyway? I guess it's lazy way but but that's as bad as plagiarism
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Re: OOC shenanigans

Postby Frankoniusz » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:55 am

Seko, it depends of location. In some town in PZ they are talking about "Szczekacze" (Barkers ?) for people from liethuan, Olki for spanish people, zamordki for english, in other, there is no diffrent name and everyone are just zamordki. I think it is way better than talking about poles or germans in game, where is no Germany nor Poland. You can change it. Just start from roots. From your chars.
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Re: OOC shenanigans

Postby Tiamo » Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:11 am

There are different languages in the game. Languages have a name, like polish or english.
So if you refer to people as speaking some language, that should be ok. Referring to them as coming from a country, Poland or England or USA, would be OOC.
I think ...
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Re: OOC shenanigans

Postby iavatus » Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:16 am

Never really thought of it as having a topic, just a good place for people to talk about OOC issues, help keep the CRB forum free of chatter (yes, I'd typed out most of the first post for that forum, and decided that at least this'd be easier if the staff who need to wade through it, had less to wade through). So yeah. Open house, open slather.
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Re: OOC shenanigans

Postby sherman » Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:21 am

Referring to language might sometimes look like referring to nation but I think most refer in this case to language. Well at least then I I think about polish town I mean language
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Re: OOC shenanigans

Postby Frankoniusz » Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:56 am

But how do your character knows it is Spanish language? I really don't like it, and avoid of all cost, but when group of chars from english zone are opemly talking, that their language is english and our is polish, I don;t know what to do. For me it is not ok to referre to real languages.

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