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Can people in Cantr roleplay effectively without posting actions or emotions?

I think that roleplaying without actions is a stronger form of RPing because you cannot normally see others' emotions.
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I think that they can role play effectively, but it isn't any stronger or weaker than role playing wtih actions.
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I don't think that a person can adequatedly role play without expressing emotions or actions.
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I don't really care, I don't think it matters.
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Postby Anthony Roberts » Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:01 pm

g1asswa1ker wrote:I think this is one of those thick grey line areas where no one is wrong and no one is right. Best corse of action use your best judgement for what you post and figure out how your characters would respond to a post like those.
*thinks Jack looks great*
Jack thinks
A. that Jill is coming on to him!
B. what in the heck is Jill looking at?
C. he does think anything cause he never even noticed!


Yes, if I would have been on earlier I would have said the same thing as G1ass here. When someone stated something with thinking, I think that's GOOD. You may not actually be able to know what they're thinking, but you can see it from their face. It might just be easier to describe what their thinking, rather than what they look like.

I'm sure you'd get a better responce from: *Rubbing his chin in confusion, he thinkins of what it would be like to own a beautiful slave such as Melony*

Rather than: *He rubs his chin in confusion, staring at the slave*

The first one shows, in your mind, that he's weighing what to do if he had the slave. The second rather demonstrates he doesn't understanding something, and looks at the slave.

Of course, even with the thinking actions, you'd still need best judgement. You don't jump out going "You could make love to me". Rather, you'd go something like "What are you thinking?" or "Are you going to buy me?"

Don't ask me why I used a slave type thing in my example >.> Maybe because I have fantasies about it? ;)
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Postby jeslange » Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:13 pm

Since part of the CR (or somewhere else) states that chars are not telepathic, directly showing thoughts should not be allowed. If a different char responds to the thought, then that char has become telepathic, no?

If a man *looks admiringly at the muscles of a slave*, and then *thinks of how much work he could accomplish in a day*, then that man's lover is well within his rights to slap him and say, "We'll be purchasing that skinny girl slave over there, and don't you be expecting any affection from me tonight!"
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Postby g1asswa1ker » Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:23 pm

You can of course chose not to acknowledge the thought or you could lead that your character was able to interpt someones looks and gaze as what ever you want. I know from experance that some thoughts are made clear in body language even though someone might be trying not to show it. I would presume that if some posted a thought that my character was able to understand it to a degree from there body language and not from telepathy.
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Postby g1asswa1ker » Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:47 pm

In the first example you showed I agree with you that not using your best judgement there would be a breech. Were the second shows more of what I am talking about.
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Postby g1asswa1ker » Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:58 pm

Missy wrote:Thats where I disagree. I feel that the thoughts are more written for the players liking; having little effect on the character played by the viewer of the thoughts- except for the setting of a mood of another thought or the reaction one would naturally have. However, should in no way give a character an advantage.

Telepathic- Communication through means other than the senses, as by the exercise of an occult power.
(http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=telepathic)

If characters and players read: A man in his twenties: *Thinks Maria is Gorgeous, smiles at her with admiration.*
Then proceed to have their own character say: "So you think I'm gorgeus young man?" THAT is what I would consider a breech. That is actual mind reading and pretending to have telepathic powers whether you do it purposely or not.

If characters and players read: A man in his twenties: *Thinks Maria is Gorgeous, smiles at her with admiration.*
Then proceed to have their own character say: "What are you smiling at me that way for? I know that look!" *Flutters lashes.* I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. In no way does your character let on like they've seen into your mind---they've let on like they picked up your body language which is completely differant than telepathy and more a form of communication.

A character which some associate with being human would most always recognize a certain way someone looked at them, unless they were not knowledgable regarding body language of course.


But I will agree to disagree. I understand some dislike that- but I know there are those who do. If you find someone that RP's thoughts and you like it? Yay. If you find someone and dislike the RP'ed thoughts, then do as you've been doing, ignore it completely..


:oops: Sorry Missy I did not mean to delete your post...But I did manage to rescue it from my cache...

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Postby Missy » Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:02 pm

:cry: It had been edited after that actually..lol (No problem though. ;) )


Thats where I disagree. I feel that the thoughts are more written for the players liking; having little effect on the character played by the viewer of the thoughts- except for the setting of a mood of another thought or the reaction one would naturally have. However, should in no way give a character an advantage.

Telepathic- Communication through means other than the senses, as by the exercise of an occult power.
(http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=telepathic)
(When a character follows scinerio 2 below they are using senses alone thus can not be considered having telepathy- therefor is not breaking the CR)

If characters and players read: A man in his twenties: *Thinks Maria is Gorgeous, smiles at her with admiration.*
Then proceed to have their own character say: "So you think I'm gorgeus young man?" THAT is what I would consider a breech. That is actual mind reading and pretending to have telepathic powers whether you do it purposely or not.

If characters and players read: A man in his twenties: *Thinks Maria is Gorgeous, smiles at her with admiration.*
Then proceed to have their own character say: "What are you smiling at me that way for? I know that look!" *Flutters lashes.* I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. In no way does your character let on like they've seen into your mind---they've let on like they picked up your body language which is completely differant than telepathy and more a form of communication.

A character which some associate with being human would most always recognize a certain way someone looked at them, unless they were not knowledgable regarding body language of course.


But I will agree to disagree. I understand some dislike that- but I know there are those who do. If you find someone that RP's thoughts and you like it? Yay. If you find someone and dislike the RP'ed thoughts, then do as you've been doing, ignore it completely


oops, double post.
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Postby Anthony Roberts » Sun Jun 13, 2004 12:31 am

*Points at Missy's post* Exactly what I was saying. I agree.
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Postby Psycho Pixie » Sun Jun 13, 2004 12:39 am

bluntly, I have been doing online RP for 8 years. I could not possibly show how my characure feels and acts and lives without those actions being used. I rarely have a time when at least 1 of 3 lines has an action of some kind.

Simple actions such as *smiles* or *frowns* or *laughs* are used by everyone, I have yet to see someone not use them, even if only seldom.

EVERYONE who I am friends with online, uses actions to denote emotion even in instant message, where RP is not happening. Just us, chitchatting about stuff.


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Postby Lone Wolf » Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:08 am

If you think about it we use the same thing here in the forum. When you want to make a wise crack about someones post but doesn't want to offend that person, we just use a :wink: or a :lol: in our post.
We use these Emoticons all the time. I don't want them in the game like that as I like the challenge of having to describe the emotion or action rather than just clicking on a smiley face.

I also agree with Missy about the mind reading, that's going too far, but if a person RP's it right, like in her example, It really can make the game more challenging and fun. Atleast in my opinion
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Postby griogal » Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:21 am

[quote="Missy
A character which some associate with being human would most always recognize a certain way someone looked at them, unless they were not knowledgable regarding body language of course.
[/quote]

Chars are not human, they're leprechauns(male) and fairies (female)
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Postby Missy » Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:42 am

Maybe I should change my post considering we're not aloud to have mystical creatures so said in the rules? They are human. :P Humans that go for days without sleeping.
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Postby The Industriallist » Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:42 am

I would like some kind of 'gesture' system so you could prove you have the axe/sabre/bow you are ** menacing someone with. Is it a CR breach to ** having an item that you actually don't have?
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Postby west » Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:48 am

it's contrary to the spirit of the game, I think.
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Postby jeslange » Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:28 pm

Is that a sabre in your pants or are you happy to see me?

Charries ought to be able to lie when they want.
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Postby west » Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:18 pm

but saying "i have a sabre" and typing *brandishes his sabre menacingly* are two different things.
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