Some bad RP Argument

[glitterdown]

Not to mention, after the birth of the baby.

Catherine drops cotton.
Catherine drops meat.
Catherine says, "Don't anybody eat that meat."

Classic.

Scared poor Gootn out of his skin... *Laughs*

I wasn't there for the birth, but the whole baby *coddles baby* *puts brat under tree* *smooches baby* *smooches hubby* nonsense that goes on hourly in Loginazy forest is just about unbearable.

I nominate the whole darn town from The Averies to Henry/Harry to Pies (i mean Pisa) to Boss Slimman. jezuz.

I frankly think that it's just a bit much, especially considering the whole logistical error with babies not ever developing into anything. If they're gonna add 'em, GREAT. But have some patience.

[Cherize]

I wasn't there for the birth, but the whole baby *coddles baby* *puts brat under tree* *smooches baby* *smooches hubby* nonsense that goes on hourly in Loginazy forest is just about unbearable.

Kinda makes you want to hide out in a cottage.

[Dark_Angel_04]

I wasn't there for the birth, but the whole baby *coddles baby* *puts brat under tree* *smooches baby* *smooches hubby* nonsense that goes on hourly in Loginazy forest is just about unbearable.


I frankly think that it's just a bit much, especially considering the whole logistical error with babies not ever developing into anything. If they're gonna add 'em, GREAT. But have some patience.

The approval for the RP was that the parents would find someone (A Newspawn) and pass 20 years of history to them and hand an already developed character over to a diffeent unknown player... The character already having a history, I am sure would be more prone to reciving from a community that watched the child grow... Like a shield a weapon, plenty of food, clothing, and maybe even some mode of transportation... I think People should really think about slandering the RP aspect of Child RPING when one day they may have a new spawn in an area where a child has been RP'd and end up getting everything one searches and strives to get in game just for taking over a character concept someone has RP'd for 20 Cantr years... I mean think about it... What do New Spawns thrive to get? Iron, Food, Steel, transportation and protection... So what if putting up with someone RPing a baby for 20 Cantr years and then having the chance to play that child being given everything right off of the bat... without having to steal it, or work for 10 years to get it.. Think About it People, a little annoyance to get a charrie who starts out with everything at 20 years old.. Seems like a good thing to me.

[Missy]

I wasn't there for the birth, but the whole baby *coddles baby* *puts brat under tree* *smooches baby* *smooches hubby* nonsense that goes on hourly in Loginazy forest is just about unbearable.

Kinda makes you want to hide out in a cottage.

Aweee. *Starts playing her violin.*

That isn't even the half of the rp that goes on in that town. If I were you I'd just be thankful that not EVERYTHING was spoken aloud.

[Edit] I mean the nonesense you speak of...happens to be some players pride. And again as I have stated millions of times, just because you don't care to put the efforts into your characters that some of the rest of us do? Doesnt give you the right to be so rude. (I'm sure you like to think your characters are established fairly well.) Do you like it when I tell you you lack creativity and imagination? That you're lazy and your characters bore me because they have no appearant personality? You suck at RP? It really isn't all that nice when it's coming from the other end is it? You know where you can shove your nonsense right?

[edit] This isn't the first and I'm sure it wont be the last that people complain of rp in a town where my chars are. I'm usually offended that you people have the gull to be so insulting toward those who like that aspect of the game; When you rarely find anyone who does like the rp aspect of the game, that will go so far as to tell you: "we're sick of seeing your average every day mute character-less- personality-less character" Aside of Nitefyre recently. But for some reason lately your ignorant and disrespectful statements don't bother me in the least. When I first started playing this game it was hard to find the support needed to withstand some of the tactless things said toward those who liked all those well established characters. But now, I feel damn proud when one of you mention my character in such a way. So for a pointer: Thanks for feeding my ego. I laugh at you. I know you're only jealous that you don't care to take the time to put into your characters like some of the rest of us do. The hours that go into some of the masterpiece quality posts I've seen and read. The pain it takes to pull up a thesaurus to use a word that maybe someone else hasn't used already. Making sure that our chars are portrayed the way we intended them to be, by poking the right feeling into each moment. Some are less jealous and just lazy. Haven't taken the time to really TRY to enjoy the rp part of the game. Yes I too was once a one linining bore. So I have you all figured out. Kudos to you. If you can insult, so can I.

Ah, lastly, I don't think one things better than the next. Though I appreciate the rp aspect more, I too still have characters that are not so verbrose. I happen to think even the ST's of the Cantr world add something to the game. But you light the fire in my charcaol grill, terribly, when you choose to not accept the differances which make this game what it is. Fail to accept that some people like one part of the game vs another- then criticize because one part is personally not for you. I hate to have to be the bbq in your burger, but if you're going to light the fire - expect to get smoked. Don't say something with such little tact and expect for me not to say something back.

With that being said I nominate the quiet lurkers in Longinazy Forest west. Fire with fire.

[glitterdown]

I didn't think I flamed you. I've been pretty non-confrontational in my posts, I'd thought. I'm sorry you thought it was time to "BBQ me" or whatever.

a few things in my defense:
1. the topic of this thread. "Annoyingly WELL-PLAYED Characters". (your characters are both, to me).
2. Cyber-sex does not = RP. There's a myriad of ways to deal with your character's personality that aren't completely involved in romantic relationships. And it's the subtle development of your characters over time and their motivations and goals in life that makes great role-playing to me. Just because I don't have a spouse and a kid and *smooch* hourly, doesn't mean I'm not role-playing.
3. The whole reason the baby-relationship-RP in loginazy forest is so annoying is that it happens HOURLY, and without thought to the mechanics of the game, as i mentioned in the Babies thread.

[Oasis]

2. Cyber-sex does not = RP. There's a myriad of ways to deal with your character's personality that aren't completely involved in romantic relationships. And it's the subtle development of your characters over time and their motivations and goals in life that makes great role-playing to me. Just because I don't have a spouse and a kid and *smooch* hourly, doesn't mean I'm not role-playing.

I agree. But well rp'd intimate relationships is not cyber-sex. There is a huge difference. Rapid posting one-liners while the other player is on could be considered such. But carefully written, well developed posts are not. That is quality RP at it's finest.

3. The whole reason the baby-relationship-RP in loginazy forest is so annoying is that it happens HOURLY, and without thought to the mechanics of the game, as i mentioned in the Babies thread.

There is always complete thought to the mechanics of the game, as far as Lance and Catherine go. Painfully so. They don't make a move without first considering logistics, mechanics, even to go as far as "was I sitting or standing last post?" Does your character ever even sit?

The baby "relationship" is not played hourly, and as I said in the Children's thread, it has unfortunately diminished considerably because of this discussion. It, as well as other things, are played by more than just the parents, as there is a lot of support there for this type of rp. Otherwise, they wouldn't have settled there. If you hate it so much, why doesn't your char move on? The citizens of that town seem to enjoy it. And as one of the characters said yesterday, I think there is something in the water. If they had water. Well, they do, you can see it off to the south. So if you see Lance go off for water, it's all within the mechanics of the game.

[Dark_Angel_04]

I didn't think I flamed you. I've been pretty non-confrontational in my posts, I'd thought. I'm sorry you thought it was time to "BBQ me" or whatever.

a few things in my defense:
1. the topic of this thread. "Annoyingly WELL-PLAYED Characters". (your characters are both, to me).

Point taken

2. Cyber-sex does not = RP. There's a myriad of ways to deal with your character's personality that aren't completely involved in romantic relationships. And it's the subtle development of your characters over time and their motivations and goals in life that makes great role-playing to me. Just because I don't have a spouse and a kid and *smooch* hourly, doesn't mean I'm not role-playing.
3. The whole reason the baby-relationship-RP in loginazy forest is so annoying is that it happens HOURLY, and without thought to the mechanics of the game, as i mentioned in the Babies thread.

CantrII is a society simulator. Where in Society do you not see a couple showing affection in public? I know every day no matter where I go I see couples of heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual in public displays of affection, and in the case of children, I also see parents cuddeling, cooing, and showing affection to children. I do not just have Characters who have "CYBERSEX" I have some interesting individuals. Charries who hear voices, Charries who tallk to them selves, and Characters who are not of the striking 6"2 185 perfectly chiseled out body. But they have flaws and are fat and horendious to look at in my imagination.

I take pride in My RP and I think if people spent more time developing Characters, there would be less Characters who spawn and steal everything because they want to die and end up in a better location. I ended up having about 80% of my characters spawn in the general region and I have managed to keep them seperate and individual... I still have my origional 15 Characters, and all of them have a personality of their own. All are interesting and yes when one comes across babies tha they do not know what they are they show couriosity and may or may not decide if what another person is RPing as a child really does exist because I as a player do not impose my beliefs onto my Characters, I have a character who is married but still flirts and treies to push her husband to other women. Why you might ask, because in "SOCIETY" that happens.

So yes I agree with Missy about people having Boring one line and even one worded responces in a character. It is more fun to read the emotions a character is going through and what the Character might be thinking. So for everyone out there Show us what your Characters are made of, what their personality is, I mean come on liven up the game and show some fun and pride in Characters. I have seen someone trying to recruit a band of Rouge Outlaws in a certian region, the outlaws are newspawn and will probably not make it, but also if you have a Character who is in their 40's and all of a sudden you are bored with them and they go nuts killing off whoever they want to, and moving to the next town smacking everyone there and so on and so fourth without letting Characters know why it is annoying, But hey your perogitive right, as is our perogitive to have our Characters do what they will. As is the right of the Hack n Slash player who gets their Characters a strong shield and weapon.. You Know who you are because there has been 3 charachters who have gone Maniacal at the age of 40 for no apparent reason. That is what I find annoying, when Players play a character to the age of maturity and worth respect in any society, then they get a good weapon and shield and then decide to behave like this, it seems to be the players main goal.

I have Characters of high standings still in their twenties, I have Characters who were given a seriously strong weapon and shield before they were even 21 yrs old. and they still have their own personality and goals.

Can Someone answer me why is it people thrive to get power with Violence? When as My Grandmother Said " You catch more flies with Honey than Vinegar" Think about it, if you want power then earn the respect and help others if you want to grow. It is easier to make certian things in game if you can get many different characters working to reach a goal. I am going to stop now, because if I do not I will continue on and on with this post and I have a Life outside of the computer.

But I will say it one more time, develope a personality and take the time to show others the Characters personality. Unless you are a player who has to have the approvial of others to function in your own life. I mean are your Characters quiet because you yourself are a quiet person and want to secretly strike out against Society and kill everyone running a muck with a crossbow, Running through a mall and Randomly attacking everyone in sight. I think you are.

[Missy]

I didn't think I flamed you. I've been pretty non-confrontational in my posts, I'd thought. I'm sorry you thought it was time to "BBQ me" or whatever.

a few things in my defense:
1. the topic of this thread. "Annoyingly WELL-PLAYED Characters". (your characters are both, to me).
2. Cyber-sex does not = RP. There's a myriad of ways to deal with your character's personality that aren't completely involved in romantic relationships. And it's the subtle development of your characters over time and their motivations and goals in life that makes great role-playing to me. Just because I don't have a spouse and a kid and *smooch* hourly, doesn't mean I'm not role-playing.
3. The whole reason the baby-relationship-RP in loginazy forest is so annoying is that it happens HOURLY, and without thought to the mechanics of the game, as i mentioned in the Babies thread.

Yes, annoyingly well played characters. Not characters that are annoying because you dislike the RP. RP associated with the characters you mentioned--since you don't like them because they RP the babies it would seem you implied you only mentioned them because you dislike the rp. Not because the characters themself were annoyingly well played. (If I am wrong, please do say so.)
Im only getting even for your smart comments in two differant threads. Don't dish out what you can't take.
I'm fully aware of the differant avenues of role-playing as well as cyber/texting sexual relations, mind you- everyone has an opinion on them and when you state something is "unbearable" because of your own opinion I'm likely to defend it with an opinion of my own.
And what you mentioned in the babies thread was irrelevant since you don't have your so claimed facts straight. (though you've now retracted your statement.)
This would have been a lot easier for you if you didn't add your personal opinion. But you're entitled to do that, and so am I. I don't consider what I've said to you "flaming" any worse than you've tried to flame some of the other players on this forum.
You don't have to even like whats going on around you in Longinazy Forest (west). I think claiming that things go on there "hourly" is far fetched. You're over dramatizing a situation to make it look worse than it is. Especially considering this: On my events screen I see-
7 events happening on 863-2 (3 of which didn't involve talking)
1 event on 863-3 (involved no talking only a person leaving)
3 events on 863-4 (2 of which involved no talking)
7 events on 863-5 (1 of which involved no talking)
4 events on 863-6 (1 of which would have been your char sating his/her hunger and another where a person left town.)
Only four events concerning those times involved role-played actions. None of them involved "*Smooch*" or an action involving the role-played baby that resides in that town.
If you're expecting that those who like the RP aspect of the game (What is rp in their opinion) to stop simply because you find it annoying you'll rethink that I hope-- seeing as how it would be no better than us asking YOU to change how your characters are, to please us.
Furthermore between 862-2 and 863-6 I note 1 public kiss which was placed on the babies head that your character surely refuses to acknowledge. No other instances of kissing to be seen.

Really get a grip. You're not even complaining about babies anymore. You're complaining about the fact people rp in general. If your character dislikes the noise in town by all means he's very capable of saying so--that doesn't mean the people IN that town will agree with him.

There is no more rp in that town than there are in others/have been in others.

[Missy]

I don't wish to argue with you glitterdown.

But it was alright for you to claim you found the rp of babies annoying. It wasn't okay for us to, in defense, say that maybe your style of rp sucked?

I only did so, to prove a point. Quite obviously I don't think your style of rp sucks. If I haven't made that clear to everyone by now, I again say that both strategic players and roleplayers are a necessity for the game.

However, if I did think your style of RP sucked, I wouldn't ask you to change it. Or tone it up. Nor have I picked apart the pro's and con's of either style to make you feel less of a good rp'er.

I was being sarcastic when I said this:

I know you're only jealous that you don't care to take the time to put into your characters like some of the rest of us do. The hours that go into some of the masterpiece quality posts I've seen and read. The pain it takes to pull up a thesaurus to use a word that maybe someone else hasn't used already. Making sure that our chars are portrayed the way we intended them to be, by poking the right feeling into each moment. Some are less jealous and just lazy. Haven't taken the time to really TRY to enjoy the rp part of the game. Yes I too was once a one linining bore. So I have you all figured out

but you didn't like it, did you?

In the same manner when I said this:

Do you like it when I tell you you lack creativity and imagination? That you're lazy and your characters bore me because they have no appearant personality? You suck at RP? It really isn't all that nice when it's coming from the other end is it?

You've become an example, (maybe you were only the tail end of many posts worth all my ranting ..) So maybe I exaggerated when I said that your personal opinionated statements don't bother me. But it would bother the rest of you if we that are more in favour of the rp aspect started a thread to discuss the questionable logistics of the game--then started in on you about how annoying you were for not agreeing with our point of view. And added your characters to the annoyingly well played character list because we found them annoying DUE to disliking or being annoyed by your choice of rp.

[glitterdown]

Insulting someone directly, and then saying that, i was just joking, can't you take a joke? is lousy and pretty childish.

But it was alright for you to claim you found the rp of babies annoying. It wasn't okay for us to, in defense, say that maybe your style of rp sucked?

Yes, because one is a fairly undirected opinion that i was annoyed by a certain over-dramatization that was going on. While the second is a direct personal attack, attempting to invalidate me and my entire viewpoint here in the forums, because "i suck at RP" or some nonsense. It's slanderous, shallow, and WAY below the belt.

Annoying characters are annoying, because of the style of their RP. How else can a character be both "annoying and well-played"? If they're not well-played, they don't RP. If they're not annoying, they apparently are either forgettable, blend in, or aren't active. How can something be Annoying in a non-personal way? There is no "objectively annoying".

Lastly, quoting the last 24 hours in Loginazy Forest as proof of the "standard RP" there, is useless, since that is RP that's occured since this discussion started. And previous days' logs were much more intense (hallelujiah!) but much more focused on the baby, kissing, and the whole headache/backrub event.

Perhaps I'm a stick-in-the mud here, but the whole idea of procreation and intimacy between people run by folks of indeterminate ages strikes me as both foolish and dangerous. I don't think you're any more insulated from prosecution because it's role-playing, than if you're "making out" in some chat room.

I respect good roleplay. I love the activity in Loginazy Forest. I think the whole introduction of babies into Cantr at this point is ill-conceived and underdeveloped. I am tired of getting flamed. And

Im only getting even for your smart comments in two differant threads. Don't dish out what you can't take.

is a cop-out. Since I NEVER flamed any of you, and I welcome "smart comments" when they are made. But sadly, Nearly the entirety of your first reply was just one long direct personal attack.

[Missy]

I don't feel childish, maybe I am being childish. I don't really know.


I'm sorry if you feel attacked. I don't take back what I've said. I didn't say you "sucked at rp." You'll notice the question marks in those statements.

In any case, I digress. You win.

[Sparkle]

Glitterdown, I'm guessing you are Samuel Taler. I am very happy you nominated Longinazy Forest (west) for what ever reason it may be. Although you complain about it, it is a great place to live. There is never a dull moment. I wanted to open up a new topic about Exciting events in Cantr just to talk about all the exciting things that happens there, but everything was happening to fast. Everybody loves it there and we all be having lots of fun.

The reason why Missy is probably so upset is because everytiime things are going good we get somebody like you to come along and start to complaining. If anybody comes to Longinazy Forest (west) and complains about any of our citizens (Zach is a citizen if you didn't notice) we will get offended.

I just don't agree with people liking some rp and not others. Rp is Rp it dont't matter what kind it is. If you can be a great rper in another form other than romantically good for you. Do it, and stop worring about other people's rping.

[Missy]

Perhaps that is the case sparkle. This would not be the first topic I've felt so strongly about, that has turned into an argument.

Now looking at the way I worded my first post, there was a more mature way of going about it.

I apologise glitterdown, if I've offended you, or given you the impression I felt you sucked at rp.

[Sparkle]

I haven't even seen him rp to say if it sucked or not, but I do think he is a bad rper because if he wasn't he would have been able to rp how his char. felt instead of using that long OOC comment that he made.

[Anthony Roberts]

The thread went pretty far off topic, from Annoyingly Well-Played Players to... something about babies and how it's a dumb RP. I didn't bother reading it all, but I split the topic in two. No more arguing in the other thread, but feel free to continue the conversation here.