So what do you guys think...

[rklenseth]

Nothing can be said of Sestar to ever make me believe he had an ounce of goodness in him. I don't really mean the horrible things he did outside of the Empire, but more of what he imposed upon the people in Lad, and definately how he treated my character. I wish my char knew of his demise, surely there would be lots of smiles.

Sester never imposed anything on anyone. He followed the laws of the Empire and depending on the Emperor was strict or loose. Under Emperor Romanov and Hawethorne he was strict and under Emperor Pasdfui he wasn't. You broke the law and you were arrested or killed in the need was there because person ran to trail or was hitting people.

Sester never imposed any laws nor did he create them. He enforced them and it really depended on who was Emperor whether or not it was by an iron fist. I find it funny everyone blames Sester when most of the stuff he didn't even do and the stuff he did was doen by orders from someone else like and emperor who was the true leader of the Empire. Why doesn't anyone blame the Emperors for it they who treated your character that way.

[jeslange]

I'm sad that I didn't have a char in that empire in general, but I was especially hoping to have a char who would know Sester. (more than just in casual passing.) Maybe I'll bump into him with a new char one day. If he's all underground now though, I might not know it's him my char's meeting

[Pirog]

Lenseth>

There were never any formal laws allowing the Lad army to kill it's own citizens. Gartaf ordered the murder of a would be member of the Department of the Intellectus just because he thought she might be a thief. That was based on her travelling on a road and he didn't know her name.

If you think he was a fair military leader I'm starting to understand why you have no criticism against US military efforts in Iraq

[Bowser]

Well, since Sester was betrayed by certain people in the Empire I'm not so sure if he will be a good thing for the Empire or a bad thing. He could very well seek revenge against certain persons and with DoUrden and Alenz Hills closing in on the Empire, the fighting amongst the certain factions could be the downfall. Sort of like what happened to the Roman Empire between East and West.

The current General in Lad is clueless and doesn't seem to have any clear direction. He rarely speaks and seems to only be good at chasing down new spawns that run from the city limits... but he has managed to outfit the guard in snappy hemp longcoats.

[nitefyre]

*shakes his head* Those Lad idiots. If they ever had paid any attention to their outskirt cities, and done good with them-they'd learn a thing or two. I'd take Sjoftich or Naron Guard to fight over Lad/LFN. Of course I am biased. But bah still.

I really think with in the empire, people like Rock, Zany Dane, Gwar, Dangle, Xanith and others, should be the ones getting the credit for making it run in current times. Without them, the Lad Empire would be just but a city abused by AH/DoUrden Mercenary or of the like Groups.

[rklenseth]

Lenseth>

There were never any formal laws allowing the Lad army to kill it's own citizens. Gartaf ordered the murder of a would be member of the Department of the Intellectus just because he thought she might be a thief. That was based on her travelling on a road and he didn't know her name.

If you think he was a fair military leader I'm starting to understand why you have no criticism against US military efforts in Iraq

Are you sure that was Sester because I don't remember Sester doing such a thing? It could have been one of Sester's soldiers. Where did this happen and when and I can tell you where Sester was and doing at around that same time.

I will make it known that none of my character resemble me at all the least of all Sester Gartaf. I was defending what kind of character Sester Gartaf was since it seems to be confused on here as to what he has done and what he was like. All the people that he killed or ordered killed either broke the Empire's law or he was ordered from higher above him to do so. If Cliff was still around he would tell you this and I am sure Jerry would say the same since their characters were two of the Emperors that Sester served. Was he a fair commander? To those that he killed or order killed probably not but to those that sided with then yes. Depends on who you ask.

I have criticism of the current events in Iraq and the US military. You have never asked me to give them. That doesn't change the fact that I think what is happening in Iraq in general to be a good thing but that is something not to be discussed here.

[Pirog]

It was a long time ago, so I don't remember everything in detail.

Naron had been attacked by some pirate type (Blackbeard or something?) and my character had managed to steal a vehicle from them and made her way to Lad to warn them.

Lorraine Phoenix, as she was called, was a pretty arrogant character and she couldn't handle that the government didn't treat her with respect.

So when the Lad guard practically stole her car she decided to leave the capitol and walk back to Naron. On the way there she passsed Gartaf and some Lad guards. Gartaf shot her with a crossbow (very nearly killing her) and said "Guards, kill her. She is probably a thief".

Of course he might have had hidden motives for ordering her death, but none that would be considered "good"...

[Slowness_Incarnate]

On the contrary, I found Sestar evil because of what he said to my character. He charged her words as treasonous, and said that she should not speak so. There were no laws against speaking one's opinion at the time, yet he said it was wrong for her to do so and told her to be silent before she lost her life. Hildy..as I call him...XD aka Hildebreande ganged up on her too. ..yet neither of them struck her. But they both made a great many threats to snuff her out.

[ephiroll]

All the people that he killed or ordered killed either broke the Empire's law or he was ordered from higher above him to do so. If Cliff was still around he would tell you this and I am sure Jerry would say the same since their characters were two of the Emperors that Sester served. Was he a fair commander? To those that he killed or order killed probably not but to those that sided with then yes. Depends on who you ask.

Sestar was always given a fair bit of free reign over what he did, everything wasn't an order (rather not a specific order, but a broad general order such as "Don't let anyone leave on unauthorized roads), but since his actions weren't frowned upon it is easy to assume that everything was a direct order.

Simple fact of the matter was that Sestar was good at what he did, and that's why he enjoyed such a successful life with the empire. What it come down to is how the empire worked: If you benefitted the empire in some way and proved to be valuable then you had a good life, if on the other hand, you didn't directly benefit the empire then you were considered a waste of space, time, and food then your life was much shorter.

I won't deny that more then a few were killed needlessly by more people then just Sestar, but that's the cost of efficency, and that's why the Lad Empire was able to grab and hold the territory and power that it has. I'm pleased with the recent upswing, I see a time in the future that DoUrden will have wished they'd pressed the attack.