Make bronze makeable

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Re: Make bronze makeable

Postby Piscator » Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:29 pm

We are currently leaning towards simply removing the phosphorus (and also the zinc) requirement for making bronze.

Another use for phosphorus will be found later (probably as fertilizer) so you won't have to throw it away. ;)
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Re: Make bronze makeable

Postby Rusalka » Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:33 pm

I may be wrong but phosporus is very rare. What about removing just zinc?
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Re: Make bronze makeable

Postby Piscator » Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:35 pm

What would be the point of leaving the rarest resource in the recipe?
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Re: Make bronze makeable

Postby Arenti » Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:44 pm

I have never even seen bronze in game.
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Re: Make bronze makeable

Postby Rusalka » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:08 pm

Piscator wrote:What would be the point of leaving the rarest resource in the recipe?


Making in less rare of course. As I said before, phosphorus could be obtained from burned bones. That makes it very common actually, so the process should be not so efficient.
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Re: Make bronze makeable

Postby Piscator » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:28 pm

Well, we thought about this version, too, but removing the phosphorus completely seems like the better solution. I don't even know why it's in the recipe to be honest. Sure, there are some types of bronze that have a considerable phosphorus content, but I doubt that bronze age people would have had the means and knowledge to add it and it worked perfectly well without it for centuries.

Retaining phosphorus would serve no purpose except preserving the existing conditions.
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Re: Make bronze makeable

Postby Rusalka » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:38 pm

I agree with knowledge of bronze age people.

I just like the idea of having use for these piles of bones in some places, that is why i defend keeping phosphrous.
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Re: Make bronze makeable

Postby Piscator » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:48 pm

Well, we definitely keep the resource and probably also implement the burning of bones, but we will have to find another use for phosphorus. Just keeping it in the bronze requirements for the sake of it doesn't seem like a good idea. As I mentioned, we can probably come up with a way to use phosphates as fertilizer.
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Re: Make bronze makeable

Postby ichi » Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:18 pm

One of my characters is going to be very unhappy if you make phosphorus useless. He spent a lot of time finding and mining it. Perhaps you would like to convert his remaining stock of phosphorus into diamonds or something else of value?
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Re: Make bronze makeable

Postby CrashBlizz » Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:19 pm

[quote="Piscator"] but we will have to find another use for phosphorus.[/quote]

Smoke bombs - blind people for an hour
Its used in stell production too
Matches - some use with the new candle??
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Re: Make bronze makeable

Postby Rusalka » Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:12 am

Here You go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_meal

Bone meal could be obtained by crushing bones on stone table - around 70-80% of the initial resource. Then it could be boiled or burned to get phosphorus (very inefficient, probably 10-20%).

Bone meal is also food for animals. Maybe in the future, when animals could be tamed.

Last thing you can make from it is glue. No idea how to use it in Cantr :)
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Re: Make bronze makeable

Postby wadko » Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:37 am

Super Glue! :) No need to use a trowel when building a stone or brick building ;)

Bone meal is used as a fertilizer.
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Re: Make bronze makeable

Postby Rusalka » Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:53 am

[quote="wadko"]Bone meal is used as a fertilizer.[/quote]

Well, only because there is phosphorus in it :)
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Re: Make bronze makeable

Postby Pilot » Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:35 pm

Other uses:

Special glass used for sodium lamps

Bone-ash, calcium phosphate, is used in the production of fine china http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_china

Phosphoric acid made from elemental phosphorus is used in food applications such as some soda beverages.

Red phosphorus is essential for manufacturing matchbook strikers and flares... phosphorus sesquisulfide is used in heads of strike-anywhere matches.
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Re: Make bronze makeable

Postby Rusalka » Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:37 pm

So I guess it would be much more fun if we leave phosphorus in bronze requirements, just make it much easier to obtain.

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