Osama Bin Laden pwned!

[Bran-Muffin]

Not what my post says at all. It says you have forgotten that they danced, celebrated in whatever fashion they wanted when those people died that day.

If you want to go that way, I could go and say then that you were saying, in your previous post, that it is ok for people supporting terrorism and the death of three thousand people to dance/celebrate, but if Americans do it in celebration for a single death of this terrorist it is not ok.

[RedQueen.exe]

Yeah, if you're using them a basis for justifiable behavior, I think you've already lost.

The entire basis for our justification in fighting them is that we hold the moral high ground. We can't maintain that position if we start simply saying "well they started it!".

On the other hand, I did see one good point to state that the celebrations were not over a death, and it was someone that had pointed out that the celebrations would also have gone on had be been captured or shot on a rocket to outer space. We're celebrating the fact that the man who plotted atrocities is no longer free to do so.

Not saying that I think it justifies celebration over and above simple somber relief, but there you go. It at least makes sense to me.

[RedQueen.exe]

Minus the idea that he's just some kind of scapegoat, and the fact that I understand the celebratory feeling others have over the news, I wind up ultimately more or less agreeing with Balko at the end of the day and am mostly just depressed at the certainty I have that his death is not going to mean we start rolling back the crazy surveillance state bs that we have rolled out since 2001.

http://www.theagitator.com/2011/05/02/he-won/

[amentoraz]

So... a terrorist state apparatus killed a terrorist individual. Nice.

At least it seems there was no colateral damage.

[RedQueen.exe]

Welcome to the world stage, cdls - where our country is despised across the modern and primitive world alike. It's a shitty feeling, isn't it?

Don't worry, though. China is on the ascent, and we're burying ourselves under the neolithic rot of Christian extremism. We won't be anything noteworthy 100 years from now after the evolution-deniers successfully get reason banned from our schools, and Social Security/Medicare has bankrupted us to the point of forced isolationism. The heat will be off.

Oh, and at least we're not French.

Just wait until it's a libel case we're discussing Doug, then we can rub those Londoners' self-righteous noses in it.

[joo]

I just looked at [the scenes of jubilation in the US] and realised that it would increase the likelihood of a terror attack on London… That’s very much the American style but I don’t think I’ve ever felt pleased at the death of anybody.

The real problem for London is that after America we’re a big target so it’s a very dangerous time at the moment…

We should have captured him and put him on trial. It’s a simple point – are we gangsters or a Western democracy based on the rule of law? This undermines any commitment to democracy and trial by jury and makes Obama look like some sort of mobster.

[SumBum]

...makes Obama look like some sort of mobster.

Well, he IS from Chicago.

[SekoETC]

Heh, it's kinda like Cantr, no one bothers with trials, you just gather a mob and go slaughter the bad guy(s). And if it was Cantr, people would go saying you used OOC information to figure out where he was, or the Pakistanis knew where he was but did nothing about him because their players thought it would either be too dangerous or the game was more interesting with a villain. Even though 9/11 caused bad things, it also brought people together and made them value their lives more when they got a reminder of how fragile it can be. Many got closer to God.

[Doug R.]

The problem with trials is that you need witnesses and a place to hold the trial. NO ONE will want a trial to take place on their soil, and you'd be hard pressed to find any credible witnesses, because they'd know their families would be targeted for retaliation. Bin Laden would walk, or, more likely, just spend the rest of his life in jail as the world tried in vain to cobble together a fair and coherent trial. The whole time, he'd be a rallying point for Muslim extremists and become a living saint i their eyes. Sometimes it takes thuggery to get the job done. If my country has to be the bad guy to make the world a better place, then, so be it. And for all those decrying the US's lack of adherence to international law, note that the US has never adhered to international law in it's entire existence, so you're just beating the skeleton of a horse. US law protects US citizens, and we follow those laws very strictly. Our laws don't apply to non-US citizens, so we're not violating our democracy or our laws in blowing up enemy combatants in foreign countries.

Other countries love to shout against us, yet they're more than happy to take our aid dollars. The hypocrisy is rank.

[joo]

Your opinion seems to be based on the assumption, without much evidence, that he is guilty and really deserved to be executed. If you were accused of war crimes and threatend with death, I am sure you would enjoy the opportunity to give your side of the story.

Other countries love to shout against us, yet they're more than happy to take our aid dollars. The hypocrisy is rank.

That might not be the best thing to boast about: http://www.poverty.com/internationalaid.html

[Piscator]

Our laws don't apply to non-US citizens, so we're not violating our democracy or our laws in blowing up enemy combatants in foreign countries.

Neither might the personal laws of someone apply to other people and neither might killing other people violate those laws. If we expect an individual to follow the laws of the community, then we can also expect a nation to follow the laws of the international community. If they don't, they're essentially a vigilante and whether that makes them a criminal or a superhero entirely depends on whether we agree with what they're doing or not (which I rather do in this case).
While internally a democracy, the USA often don't behave very democratic on the international level and that's what many people take offense at.

Many got closer to God.

Quite literally one might say.

[gejyspa]

Proverbs 24:17-8: Do not rejoice when your enemy falls,And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles; Or the LORD will see it and be displeased, And turn His anger away from him.

If it were possible to have captured him alive and bring him to trial, that would have been preferable. But such things are not always possible without risking more lives.

Whether or not cheering is appropriate (and I personally lean towards "not"), it is a false equivalence to equate cheering over the death of someone who joyously admitted to the planning and execution of the killing of thousands of people and people's cheering over the death of those said thousands.

[Snickie]

Proverbs 24:17-8: "Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles; Or the LORD will see it and be displeased, And turn His anger away from him."

<3

Whether or not cheering is appropriate (and I personally lean towards "not"), it is a false equivalence to equate cheering over the death of someone who joyously admitted to the planning and execution of the killing of thousands of people and people's cheering over the death of those said thousands.

I'm actually not sure why I quoted this part. But I just wanted to say that my friend keeps rubbing it in peoples' faces that it was the U.S. Navy Seals who did the job (she has an obsession with the navy, I honestly don't know why, other than I know that she wants to go into the Navy as a field medic or possibly work as USAMRIID (which is Army if I'm not mistaken)) and not the Marines or any other branch. It annoys me to no end.

[CN]

Proverbs 24:17-8: Do not rejoice when your enemy falls,And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles; Or the LORD will see it and be displeased, And turn His anger away from him.

And, in a similar vein, I found myself thinking about this all day:

‎"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that" -- Martin Luther King, Jr

[Addicted]

Thankyou CN. You give me some hope.